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Hi,

As our 2008 Tribeca 5pass LTD was aging and showing its 130k miles (some minor winter neglect - rust above the windshield) - we purchased a brand new 2016 Outback 3.6R Tech Nav EyeSight... and gave the Tribeca (a.k.a Chubecca) to my brother in-law (his VW died, so Chubecca stays in the family!)

Pretty much the same size on the outside, minus cargo volume.

However, we are actively looking for the next gen Tribeca. So I went to the Japanese website of Subaru and found the new Exiga Crossover 7... Maybe in North America one day? http://www.subaru.jp/crossover7/sp/index.php

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The Exiga 7 is essentially the Tribeca platform & design retooled for the Japanese market. The Exiga 7's dimensions have more of a "wagon" or "minivan" feel to it, but replacing the Tribeca with the current Exiga 7 design would be a lateral move for Subaru, i.e. the Exiga would have the same challenges the Tribeca had in competing with the 7-passenger market because the 3rd row is not full size (even though it may be considered such in Japan where the average person is 3" shorter than in the US and they're much more accommodating to not having a lot of space).

The rumor is that something is in development right now that could be released anytime in the next three years... it might be another Toyota collaboration because Lafayette is going to a single platform for all models, and if Subaru wants to compete in the 7-passenger segment, they need something with significantly more third-row and/or cargo space; either of which would require a different platform.

Wild speculation here... but if I had to guess, I would say the new 7-passenger Subaru will be a longer version of the Exiga 7 and will be built in Princeton on the Sienna platform (as opposed to the Highlander's platform which could cannibalize sales).
 

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The Exiga 7 is essentially the Tribeca platform & design retooled for the Japanese market. The Exiga 7's dimensions have more of a "wagon" or "minivan" feel to it, but replacing the Tribeca with the current Exiga 7 design would be a lateral move for Subaru, i.e. the Exiga would have the same challenges the Tribeca had in competing with the 7-passenger market because the 3rd row is not full size (even though it may be considered such in Japan where the average person is 3" shorter than in the US and they're much more accommodating to not having a lot of space).

The rumor is that something is in development right now that could be released anytime in the next three years... it might be another Toyota collaboration because Lafayette is going to a single platform for all models, and if Subaru wants to compete in the 7-passenger segment, they need something with significantly more third-row and/or cargo space; either of which would require a different platform.

Wild speculation here... but if I had to guess, I would say the new 7-passenger Subaru will be a longer version of the Exiga 7 and will be built in Princeton on the Sienna platform (as opposed to the Highlander's platform which could cannibalize sales).
Yes, we have beaten this horse quite a bit here and it will be shocking if Subaru goes Tribeca 2.0.

Subaru has long had two vehicles/platforms: Impreza and Legacy. The rest are variations of either theme (except BRZ).

If a "platform" in current Subaru parlance can handle an Impreza/Forester and Legacy/Outback at the same time, it can also handle a new, larger 7 pax. I do not see the issue. The Legacy/OB will be the mid-range with the new 7 pax as much larger as the Impreza is smaller.

I have no clue what they mean by platform, but, whatever it is, it should handle everything they offer. In addition, the rumors of further collaboration with Toyota seem to have subsided, except on the battery front.

My bet is on a smaller H6+Toyota-sourced batteries built on the same "platform" as all others in Indiana. For some reason, I also expect to either love or hate the offering.
 

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I think the platform issue is one of dimensional matters, i.e. modern factories are typically setup to assemble a finished product within a certain footprint. So say the assembly footprint in Lafayette is Outback-sized, you can certainly assemble an Impreza because it fits within the footprint. In other words, you can always go smaller, but you can't go larger.

The lengths of the Tribeca, Outback and Legacy are 192, 190 and 189 inches, respectively. By comparison, most of the competition in the 7-pass segment is over 200 inches. If Subaru wants to compete in the 7-pass segment, they need to add at least 8-10 inches to the length, and I am guessing they can't do that in Lafayette without re-configuring (and possibly re-outfitting) the entire factory, and Fuji doesn't have any other facilities in North America. Additionally, Camry assembly is moving out of Lafayette next year, and I think that part of the reason for Subaru going to a single, modular platform is to bring Forester and/or Impreza assembly state-side within the next 2-3 years.

Princeton, on the other hand, is already assembling the Sienna (L=200) and Sequoia (L=205), so they could undoubtedly handle a larger Subie 7-pass.
 

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Ok, so you think that when they say that all vehicles will move to a single platform they really mean "all current vehicles?"

It is possible; after all, the vehicle will be US-specific anyway so it won't be that great of an exception to the new global rule. It is also certain that Subaru is no stranger to somewhat bizarre decisions (like the BRZ).

That said, I have not heard any recent rumors about Subaru continuing the Toyota collaboration with respect to a joint Highlander/Tribeca replacement.

I wonder if they have made a decision yet. I would rather have them continue slowly but surely than rush everything (overall production increases, 7 pax, single platform).
 

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I personally doubt we will see anything like exiga in the US, main reason is the size. Most people here expect way more room then that third row provides. In other markets it may do much better, given the factors that gas price went down folks are again less concerned with mpg than five years ago, and domestic mammoths are packed with features that most soccer dads want.

I doubt there will be a joint people hauler with toyota, why would they share their piece?
The way i see it is subaru is focused on two groups of people, young and those with kids in college, as it is advertised as outdoor fun recreation type deal. You not going camping with three car seats across, face it you want convenient minivan with lots of storage for the kids and multiple screens so they dont bother you on the way to school, and subaru is all about exactly opposite.

By the way I am 6'4 about 200lbs and can comfortable sit in third row. Grew up in a side car then my parents bought a Vaz 2106 and back seat had much less room then Tribecas third row. Its all about what you are used to.
 

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It might not be a JV like the BRZ, but just like Camrys has been assembled in Lafayette, they could assemble a Subaru-specific vehicle in Princeton.
 

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It might not be a JV like the BRZ, but just like Camrys has been assembled in Lafayette, they could assemble a Subaru-specific vehicle in Princeton.
From subaru press release/article something something that i saw on nasioc not too long ago is exactly subarus plan.
Right now outback production/assembly is held back by factory capabilities, and they want entire Lafayette to produce only subaru.
Most likely we will see something in-between tribeca and exiga, with longer wheelbase but more wagon form and of course 6 cylinder and possibly hybrid petrol+electric.
 

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I'm pretty sure they already discontinued production of the Camry at Lafayette because of Subaru's "volume issue." Even then, Subaru is having trouble meeting demand. Streamlining is good, but they may need to expand the factory or build somewhere else in the country if they're going to be making Imprezas/Foresters here, too.
 

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7 Pass vehicles are a tough market in US. Tribeca is amazing as a 5 pass and if it was priced right and with a few mods would have sold well.
 

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This new Exiga looks ugly as hell, I hope they won't make it to US market.

Tribeca needs new design more upscale exterior, more legroom in 2nd and 3rd row.
 

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Thanks for posting that. Two things worth of note.

First, the year 2018. All I had heard was 2017-20. Hope 2018 is right. I would like to get it in 2019-20, if it is as appealing to us as the B9 was in 2005.

Second, the engine. The current H6? Hilarious. There is absolutely no way this is the case. Still hoping for a new H6 paired with electric motor(s).
 

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Interesting... they are building in Lafayette after all. Barring an engineering marvel, I hope they get the overall length closer to 200"; unless they're getting rid of what little cargo space does exist behind the third row and/or going to buckets in the second row.
 

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Second, the engine. The current H6? Hilarious. There is absolutely no way this is the case. Still hoping for a new H6 paired with electric motor(s).
A few thoughts:

Subaru's new unified platform strategy is designed to do several things:

1. Cut costs in development, increasing profit.
2. Reduce weight. Not sure if they're using high strength steel or some other type of witchcraft, but they've been very clear about reducing weight across all models (which they've done on the Legacy and Impreza in the most recent gens already without this new platform).

If the weight savings were achieved on a new midsize SUV (say 4000-4100lbs vs the Tribecas 4200-4300), I could see using the 3.6 engine if Subaru tunes it up a bit. The EZ36 hasn't received any revisions since it launched and it's probably capable of putting down closer to 300HP if Subaru wants to invest the money into it (Direct Injection would be nice!). Just look at the improvements made to the EZ30 or the EJ25 over the years - it's definitely possible to get a bit more out of the existing engine.

Of course I would love to see a tuned, mildly turbo'd 3.0 instead, personally.
 

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One of the biggest things in this class of vehicles is Tow ratings, if they build to 5000lbs+ towing ability a lot more folks will be interested in it, otherwise it will sell but they will still be limiting their customer base.
 

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A few thoughts:

Subaru's new unified platform strategy is designed to do several things:

1. Cut costs in development, increasing profit.
2. Reduce weight. Not sure if they're using high strength steel or some other type of witchcraft, but they've been very clear about reducing weight across all models (which they've done on the Legacy and Impreza in the most recent gens already without this new platform).

If the weight savings were achieved on a new midsize SUV (say 4000-4100lbs vs the Tribecas 4200-4300), I could see using the 3.6 engine if Subaru tunes it up a bit. The EZ36 hasn't received any revisions since it launched and it's probably capable of putting down closer to 300HP if Subaru wants to invest the money into it (Direct Injection would be nice!). Just look at the improvements made to the EZ30 or the EJ25 over the years - it's definitely possible to get a bit more out of the existing engine.

Of course I would love to see a tuned, mildly turbo'd 3.0 instead, personally.
Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I am not sure the "Next Tribeca" will be on the new Global Platform.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2742650

This forecast does not show the "Next Tribeca" on the future SGP forecast. Maybe its fake or maybe it is just the production forecast for Japan's factories. But if it is not, that leads me to believe the 7-seater could be built off of the current Outback/Legacy platform. But that is not a bad thing.


Engines:
The current trend is to downsize the engine. So I wonder if Subaru will consider the FA20DIT. It seems to be a versatile engine as Subaru has a couple of tunes for it. On the high end, it makes 300hp in the last generation Legacy/current Levorg and WRX S4. On the low end, it makes 237hp in the Chinese Legacy/Outback, I assume it tuned this way for a lower octane fuel. Also there is talk of an electric turbo for the BRZ, so maybe that could find its way into this vehicle. Of course I am not sure if this engine is suitable for towing. The US Forester XT is limited to no more than 2000 lbs.

Interesting, the Volvo XC90 has a 2.0l turbo/supercharged engine and it can tow 5000 lbs.
 

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The previous Tribeca was based off the much smaller BP/BL Legacy platform. The BN platform would certainly allow for more interior space with its longer wheelbase, so I can't say I object to using that instead. Not sure it'd help save weight though.

As for the towing - the restriction of the Forester probably has more to do with the chassis than the engine/transmission configuration. The 3.6 Outback w/ the same CVT is rated for 3000lbs (and it has a similar power output). Certainly a N/A torquey motor would be less annoying to tow with, but I doubt it has much to do with the rating - that's more on the weight of the vehicle and its brakes/suspension than anything.
 

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Yeah, I am sure the engine will be brand new--and expect a combo with batteries.

This time they should go full in: excellent interior room, good mpg, acceptable towing.

As for myself:

A new, smaller H6+batteries? I will be extremely interested.
A turbo 4 + batteries? Less so, but still interested.

At an expected 40+k, it better check all the boxes, including interior design as appealing as the Beca was in 2006 and an exterior not as terrifyingly bland as the 2008 minivanization.
 
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