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Old 09-16-2014, 08:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Thinking about an 07 Limited

It has rear AC, Navigation, DVD, 75k miles, and just overall looks very good for an 07. Asking price from small dealer is $15,500. It doesn't have the tow package.


Good deal? Anything I should look for?

I am a sucker for leather. I'm still in the "looking" stage. I do have a concern about MPG, as it isn't that much better than my current Jeep Grand Cherokee (12/17).
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Old 09-16-2014, 06:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The price seems steep. Look at Craigslist, Ebay, and other dealers and sellers for comparison.
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Old 09-17-2014, 08:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree, it's high for an 07. Look for an 08+ for the 3.6L. We bought ours in colorado where demand is generally high for subarus and we paid that private party for few miles and an 08.
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Old 09-17-2014, 02:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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$15.5k for an '07 with 75k miles is too much; especially from a "small dealer". Go to Edmunds.com and do an appraisal... depending on locale, condition, etc., you should really be more in the $13,000-14,000 range
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Old 09-17-2014, 03:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
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guys i have seen several threads on the internet about the 3.6L using oil and the timing chain whining noise , i personally went to check a 2008 at a Lexus dealer and it had the whining noise .so i past the deal and decide to keep my 06 "didn't know at the time that it was just the tensioner guide so i got scared , is anyone here having or had those issues with the 3.6 or is just a few isolated cases being overblown in the web ,my 3.0L does not use a drop of oil , as a side note I live in FL .so no Snow here but for some reason the prices of the Subbies have been slowly crippin up and you can see more of them on the road ???
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My 08 uses about 1 qt over the 7500 miles before an oil change. I usually top it off after it is down a 1/2 qt. I changed the PCV valve and thought that got rid of it, but it still seems to do it. I have the impression it seems to loose most of it toward the end. I suspect the oil is shearing down while lubricating the chain, but haven't sent it out for an UOA and won't. It's nothing to worry about. I could try a stouter oil like the Rotella T6, and might do that.

I have a major issue with whining noise, but it is only present with the kids in the back

No, that's not true, no whining noise issue, even with the kids in the back...
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the 3.0 have never used any oil so far "knock on wood"however I also have a mayor Screaming issue with the 2 boys on the back as well ,and there is not a TSB for that
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You will be a lot happier with teh 3.6L. A lot more get up and go I think. We drove a number of the 3.0 and found them to be marginal. Probably most people were putting in regular though...
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man i had sunk so much money in that car since i past the deal on the 08and decided to make like new again,the only things that i had to go wrong are the following #1 inner front CV boots at 55 k miles ,#2 air conditioner evaporator leak at 68 k miles #3 radiator @ 92k miles the rest has been preventive maintenance , i wish you could see it the dam car looks like brand new , i just replaced the "symmetrical all wheel drive " rear glass decal that was looking old LOL!!. i would like some extra horses but in the condition i have the B9 now i will have a tough time letting it go
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Td the rotella T6 solved my 2.0t VW oil usage issue .it may well cure or improve yours . and yes the 3.0 runs lousy with regular. i tried once and no more. you also loose a lot of MPG with Reg. so it does not make sense for me to use it
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You will be a lot happier with teh 3.6L. A lot more get up and go I think. We drove a number of the 3.0 and found them to be marginal. Probably most people were putting in regular though...
I use regular and it is plenty fast. It is happy to go to 6k RPMs when you floor it. I really wonder how accurately one can measure MPG loss with regular since it so much depends how you drive the given moment. You can floor it for few seconds and ruin 100 miles of OK MPG number.
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The reason the mileage goes down using the regular is because the ecu is pulling timing to compensate for the reduced octane.
If you have it available I would look for some premium with no ethanol. We are getting 19 in mixed driving and hope to see it go up with the ethanol free stuff. My motorcycle picked up 3 mpg. using it which put me over 50mpg and the only time I have seen that is when I was in the mountains. Never around home.
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i can see my MPG and performance to decrease significantly with the use of regular ,i don't know it may be something wrong with this car
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Old 09-18-2014, 07:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Realistically....what can be the difference between regular and premium? 10%? I would not think so. 5%? May be.

At 18 MPG which is not unheard of 5% gain would give you 18.9. Add to it inaccuracy of the method of calculating, different driving condition, air temperature, etc....I do not think one can really measure any difference consistently.

But I can be totally wrong....
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Ok lets forget about mpg .the difference in performance is very noticeable at least on my beca .very lively with the premium .sluggish with regular .it may be that the ECU get acustomed to some parameters.i know when the knock sensor picks up pre ignition pulls timing back and that will decrease HP.that is a fact .i love the way the 3.0 revs up silky smooth and appearently this engine tends to be more reliable than the 3.6. i could still use the extra 10 or 15 hp though
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Several years ago I did a comparison between running regular vs premium in my '07. I would get 2-3 mpg less with regular. I calculated out the costs and found I was very close to breaking even (Regular is cheaper, but with 2-3 mpg less I use more - actual cost per mile was the same).

So, for me, cost-wise, there was little to no difference. Power-wise, there was a big difference. You really have to flog it more on regular.

(most of my comparison miles were highway, where I was keeping a steady speed)
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I've noticed a tremendous difference in power between regular and premium, but the MPG difference was minimal, if non-existent.

I have heard that running higher octane gas than what the engine is spec'd for can actually have a negative effect on MPG. Not sure if there's any truth to that, but premium here in the Lake Michigan EPA zone - where we use a summer formulation not used anywhere else in the world - is 93 octane.
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You are right in that regular will get you better mileage than premium if your car doesn't require it. Ethanol gives you worse mileage and both the ZRX and the Legacy turbo run better with the ethanol free premium. I wish they would do away with the ethanol in the fuel. Too many negatives for very few positives.
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I've found that putting premium in my '06 gets me better gas mileage and ultimately works out to be about the same cost per tank. Might as well use the recommended fuel.
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I've noticed a tremendous difference in power between regular and premium, but the MPG difference was minimal, if non-existent.
20% more?
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