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Old 10-21-2014, 09:00 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Both Subies have been on a brutal city cycle as of late, the Beca for 1,500 mi (15.9 mpg) and the OB for 300 mi (18 mpg). Just fueled both. The Tribeca shows a 200 mile estimated range under these conditions and the H6 OB shows a 325 mi range.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:00 PM   #42 (permalink)
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The best I have achieved is 330 miles to a tank, the readout said there were 20 miles left but I was not going to test it! this was a single trip all motorway. Usually mixed driving I get around 270-280 miles per tank.
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The best I have achieved is 330 miles to a tank, the readout said there were 20 miles left but I was not going to test it! this was a single trip all motorway. Usually mixed driving I get around 270-280 miles per tank.
Not long ago I was getting very low and went up a very slight hill. My "20 miles" suddenly went to "--- miles". I coasted into a gas station, on the other side of the hill....

In comparison to the Tribeca, it seems like I never have to fill the project 944. Stupid little car has a 19.8 gallon tank!!
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Old 10-23-2014, 08:13 PM   #44 (permalink)
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The best I have achieved is 330 miles to a tank, the readout said there were 20 miles left but I was not going to test it! this was a single trip all motorway. Usually mixed driving I get around 270-280 miles per tank.
Yeah, 270 to 280, same here. The H6 OB can do 450 with 20 to 30 in reserve on the interstate or highway. We plan to take the Beca on a trip during the holidays and I am already prepared for fueling at expensive stations in desolate areas. It can get a bit interesting in the vast open spaces of the West.
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I did a trip this last weekend and was showing 25.5 on no ethanol premium, that is until we got to our destination and started the city driving and numerous stops. I filled up when the info showed 0 miles left. I had gone 354 miles and put 15 gallons in. Looks to me like I had 3.8 gallons left and could have gone at least another 75 miles which would put the range at 425 and that would have been better if it was all hwy miles. Calculating the mileage shows 23.6 mpg.
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Jefferson,

Are you talking about an Outback? It has an 18.5 g tank, but the Beca has only a 16.9 g tank, whence the trouble.
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You're right. I got the wrong figure in my head. I would have sworn it had an 18 plus gallon tank.
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I am thinking of putting a can of BG-44k since i could not Achieve anything near the MPG numbers Everyone talks about .so i am assuming that my 17.7 AVG MPG "running Premium" must be due to some problem. i will start with a can of BG-44K and go from there ,Any Thoughts
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Average over what?

Our B9 used to go as high as 23 on road trips.

However, city is different, add traffic, add cold weather...

The current one is at about 18 mpg over some 3,500 mi of mixed but mostly city driving. However, the last 1,500 or so of those have been city only, usually short hops, and the average for those 1,500 is just 15.9: this is in hot to warm weather.
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I am thinking of putting a can of BG-44k since i could not Achieve anything near the MPG numbers Everyone talks about .so i am assuming that my 17.7 AVG MPG "running Premium" must be due to some problem. i will start with a can of BG-44K and go from there ,Any Thoughts
Agreed, 16 mpg is pretty average for city driving, 19-20 for mixed to more highway.

Everyone drives different, it's really hard to use mpg as a indicator as an issue. Better to hook up a cable and do some investigating via FreeSSM or logging with romraider if you suspect an issue.

Here's a link if you're considering that:
Setup:http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/...r-ecm-tcu.html
Logging: http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/...g-dummies.html
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Thanks Again TD for telling me about the Free SSM ,i am on the process of choosing a VaG CoM cable . i want the cable to also work with my Passat B6 that uses the latest VAG COM protocol .helpfully i can get a cable that is good for both .the cables that works with my Passat B6 are North of $50 anywhere .i dont mind making the investment. any VAG/Subie people out there to advise if this cable is good for both ? .also wonder if I can do the TCU relearn with the Free SSM ?
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Yes, you can reset the TCU with FreeSSM. Rumor is, only clear 1, not 2.
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Ok got it.I am getting an slight shock when coming to an stop.helpfully the tcu reset will take care of that. Will start another thread to post my results. I will still give the BG-44K a try and see if i can up my MPG a bit
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I am thinking of putting a can of BG-44k since i could not Achieve anything near the MPG numbers Everyone talks about .so i am assuming that my 17.7 AVG MPG "running Premium" must be due to some problem. i will start with a can of BG-44K and go from there ,Any Thoughts
17.7 mpg is pretty good if the majority of your drive is in the city. The only reason my long-term mpg is above 19 is because 75% of my daily commute is highway miles.

When my wife has to use the B9, she's usually running errands, i.e. short trips with lots of starting and stopping. One day she had the car for about three hours after I had just filled the tank and reset the gauges... she brought it back with an mpg average of 13.8
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Absolutely what psygnal11 says. This car is a highway cruiser. City mileage is terrible. Even on the highway it is quite sensitive to speed. I see 10% variations in indicated fuel economy from similar variations in average speed (faster = worse economy). The best indicated value I ever saw was 9.4l/100km (25mpg US), which was after about an hour of driving mostly at 90km on flat roads. Recent multi-hour trips at 100km/h resulted in an indicated number around 10.3l/100km (23mpg US). A road trip last year mostly at 110-120km/h gave numbers around 11-12l/100km. Of course, actual fuel economy is always worse than indicated.
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I have had mine since May 2013. I have put about 18,100 km on it since and for what it's worth, averaged 14.6L/100km or 16.2 MPG. My range therefore is approx. 440 km or 274 miles. Best was 10.7L/100km, worst was 21.6L/100km All highway vs all city I suppose. Sometimes, I can't believe that's the same car. I am in Toronto.
I took a 2010 Lincoln MKX for a 45 minute test drive today and got 11.6 litres/100 kms in mixed highway and city driving. This was the 4WD version . . . pretty nice vehicle compared to my 12 year old Forester. Now if I could only find a Tribeca to take out for a comparison. Based on what I've read so far on this forum and others, the Tribeca is no more reliable than the Lincoln, maybe worse? Anyone else care to weigh in on this ?
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The Tribeca is a fairly reliable vehicle, especially in terms of powertrain. I would not have purchased one with 108000 miles on it if I thought otherwise. Forums are a poor indicator of anything. People come to forums mostly to complain and/or ask for advice. I do not see anything on Consumer Reports about major issues, for whatever reason they mark "engine minor" as worse than average; no idea why. Lincoln MKS does get good scores, surprisingly for me with "transmission minor" being the outlier. Honestly, both look good in CR.

A properly maintained Tribeca is certainly less likely to cause troubles compared to a properly maintained EJ 25 Forester.
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I'm leaning towards a 2010 Lincoln MKX over the Tribeca. I also get the impression from CR that they are equal in reliability and I have access to 3 Ford dealerships within an hour, but the only Subaru dealership is 2 1/4 hours away. I'll bet Subaru parts are a lot more $ than Ford/Lincoln parts as well. The Tribeca is too anonymous looking for me (apologies to all concerned here). Thanks for all your input re mileage/driving range.
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Meh.. It's okay. Third row is missing, as is 4 wheel drive, never mind AWD. But most of the time FWD is plenty honestly.
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Meh.. It's okay. Third row is missing, as is 4 wheel drive, never mind AWD. But most of the time FWD is plenty honestly.
If you are referring to the Lincoln MKX, 4 wheel drive is standard. I've never seen a 2wd version in Canada. And I don't need the 3rd row child seats anyway, plus it gets better mileage and has a 20 gallon gas tank, not 16.9 like the Tribeca.
I've had Subaru's for 24 years now, time for a Lincoln !
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