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Old 03-01-2010, 08:36 AM   #1
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Default Finally! V 4.0 of the Subaru Nav Disk is out!

Maybe it will finally remove the listings for bank ATM's that have gone out of business 6 years ago!

http://store.kenwoodusa.com/catalog.php?id=186

I just ordered it. Lets see how good it is. I will report back when I get it and put it into the car.
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Old 03-01-2010, 11:03 AM   #2
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Awesome!

Will you be seeding the torrent once you get it?
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Old 03-01-2010, 12:42 PM   #3
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Awesome!

Will you be seeding the torrent once you get it?
I seriously doubt that I will be doing that. Having written commercial software for the many years that I have, I have great disdain for illegal copying of software.

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Old 03-01-2010, 06:15 PM   #4
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OK, Reedl is out. Let's try and get this seeded quicker and more reliable then before.
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Old 03-01-2010, 10:18 PM   #5
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Um, the shipping (UPS) is nearly $28.00. Is that a mistake???
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Old 03-02-2010, 06:38 AM   #6
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Reedl, KMartin,

Please let me know your impressions when you get it loaded up. I'd be interested in the interface and look and feel to see if there are any changes. I don't use POIs so much and would like to know what a $240 investment gets.

Thanks for posting. I've been checking the Kenwood site for the update. Nice to know it is out!
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Old 03-02-2010, 03:54 PM   #7
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yeah tell us how it is!!
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:25 AM   #8
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When it arrives (I have not even seen any notification about the ship date), I will post a quick review as to how it is.

I just hope they have not removed the microphone support that the current version has. I use that a lot when driving. Being able to tap a button and say "ice cream" for example and it displays all the ice cream places it really a great feature that it has right now.

I am very sure that it will still have the lack of being able to search POI's and enter destinations when travelling. That is a safety feature that will never be removed.

Here in Mass, the POI data is way out of date on the current version (3.0), but since we have lots of new roads, and many changes in Boston the current version is pretty much useless when travelling around Boston in terms of road also.

What makes it really crazy is that since the Nav that is built in has a Gyro and a speed sensor, even when in the tunnels it can keep track of where it is. No standalone GPS system can do that!

My shipping was less, but I am in Mass. They are definately marking up the shipping from UPS amounts. That is a low trick.

But as to price, check out the price on the Kenwood Nav data disc for the Kenwood native devices: http://store.kenwoodusa.com/catalog.php?id=496 $450!

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Old 03-05-2010, 02:55 PM   #9
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I got the DVD's, and put the east cost version into my Tribeca. My advice to others is "Don't bother paying for this useless upgrade".

The interface has not changed at all. It works exactly like the previous 3.0 version.

It still lists ATM's for banks that have been acquired 10 years ago. The previous version (3.0) had a restaurant I go to all the time. This version does not even have this restaurant.

Looking at the back of the DVD case, the copyrights are as follows:

C 2008 DENSO Corporation, C 2007 Tele Atlas North America, Data by InfoUSA C 2007

So the data is either two or three years old. In terms of businesses, that is an eternity.

This was an absolute waste of money! I called Kenwood, and they would not help me. I am calling Subaru Monday and complaining about the absolute garbage that this product is. A $129 Garmin blows this out of the water in terms of data being up to date, and capabilities.

I do not expect much from Subaru, but I will make it known to Subaru that their data supplier is not providing a good product, and that it makes the built in Nav system in the Tribeca a very poor product.

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Old 03-06-2010, 01:18 PM   #10
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Reedl,

Sorry about your experience with the update. Thank you for providing the insight for those of us who were considering the upgrade.

I hope Subaru provides some sort of resolution for you. I read on one of the Legacy boards that Subaru offered to pay for 50% of the cost of the upgrade. Perhaps they can help you in the same way.

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132359

Good luck!
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:08 PM   #11
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ohh wow sorry to hear that!! call SOA and yeah alot of cars Navis are that up to date but that sucks ....i wonder if the Outbacks navi is diff cuz it has voice command? prob the same disc..?
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Old 03-08-2010, 12:24 PM   #12
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I'm disappointed but not surprised to hear the interface is still the same. In my opinion, it is the worst navigation system I have ever seen. It's such a shame too, because the car is awesome and would be prefect with a Garmin/Tom Tom type of navigation system.
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Old 03-08-2010, 02:50 PM   #13
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when the new tribeca or subaru suv..prob tribeca name i would think but w/e...comes out it will have the new voice command system that the outback has..bummed they didnt put it in the 10 Tribecas?
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:54 PM   #14
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>> A $129 Garmin blows this out of the water in terms of data being up to date, and capabilities..

Um, why didn't you just buy the Garmin (or TomTom or ?)? The next navi upgrade for my Tribeca will be a real, modern navi unit rather than a DVD upgrade. Thanks for nothing Subaru/Kenwood.
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Old 03-10-2010, 01:18 PM   #15
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^ well we all hoped it would be better but guess not but yeah the only realy good navi system goes to Acura hands down
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Old 03-10-2010, 01:58 PM   #16
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Um, why didn't you just buy the Garmin (or TomTom or ?)? The next navi upgrade for my Tribeca will be a real, modern navi unit rather than a DVD upgrade. Thanks for nothing Subaru/Kenwood.
The built in system has its advantages. Most notably the fact that I do not need to keep removing it from the dash and reinstalling it every time I get out of the car. Around here, GPS's are removed from cars all the time by the applying of a large amount of force to the window, and then reaching in to grab the GPS from the dash. In fact my wife's Garmin was removed from her Subaru Outback 4 years ago, and it was on the floor in front of the passenger seat, pretty much out of view. We had to get the window replaced, etc. Big pain in the neck.

The built in also has the following advantages:
- Much bigger screen
- Works when in tunnels, etc.
- Audio comes through stereo speakers
- In general the map road data is quite good.

It is just the POI data that sucks. In fact I find that it is better at rounting than my new Garmins, because it allows viewing of multiple routes on the screen, and choosing either the fastest, shortest, or preferred route. OTOH the Garmin only gives a single route, and you cannot preview it before going on the route.

So each one has a tradeoff.

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Old 03-24-2010, 06:20 AM   #17
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Info from the outback forums on the 4.0 update....

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/subaru-releases-navigation-maps-version-132359p4.html#59


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It is in and running. REVIEW:
- Graphics are the same. Controls are the same
- Roads HAVE BEEN updated. There is this one road I always used to be driving off road on my NAV, but not anymore.

To me, it was worth it to get updated maps.
Total disappointment to me... they really need to update the graphics on this system.
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Old 03-26-2010, 06:48 AM   #18
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Unfortunately the graphics rendering is more firmware related. The discs are just POI and map data

I too have the navi, and we rarely use it b/c it's such a PITA to use
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:36 AM   #19
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Unfortunately the graphics rendering is more firmware related. The discs are just POI and map data
The firmware is clearly updateable from the discs. There was a firmware update from v1.1 to v1.2 if I remember correctly. My frustration is the lack of firmware update provided on v4.0.
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:07 PM   #20
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I feel cheated!. My dealer just gave me a complementary upgrade to V3.0 (open, with fingerprints on the discs) as compensation for leaving tools under the hood, breaking fasteners and otherwise failing to deliver value on my $1100 service.

But back on topic: I'll install it tomorrow. Notorious misses are placing the Timberline Lodge, close to summit of Mount Hood, OR (made famous in the 'Shining') in downtown Portland, OR.
And now...freeways close to Miami International airport are, literally, off the map.

Have to say, love the car, hate the dealer! I'll never buy a new Subaru again!

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Maybe it will finally remove the listings for bank ATM's that have gone out of business 6 years ago!

http://store.kenwoodusa.com/catalog.php?id=186

I just ordered it. Lets see how good it is. I will report back when I get it and put it into the car.
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