The next Tribecca

[evlB9]

Just throwing this out for conversation.........

Will there be a "next generation Tribecca?"

Subaru has redesigned everything else in the line up. Becca sales are down. Ok they are Non existent!

So does it get a redesign?

[Magic Marker]

I say yes. I believe Subaru wants to be in the large SUV segment. They need an SUV for people who graduate from a Forester.

[SubieDriver]

They're apparently taking a "wait and see" attitude. If sales pick up, they'll proceed with a redesign, if sales don't, it dies like the Baja. The story I heard was that they put off the redesign until the auto market turns around.

It's a shame they don't advertise it, as it's quite a nice vehicle. Before I got mine, I drove a Murano, and liked the Tribeca quite a bit better. It's got potential, if they let people know about it.

[Bullroarer Took]

For whatever reason I have been plotting Tribeca sales since they started. Late last summer they were actually increasing number wise (still down compared to the year before, but increasing), and then plummeted in the fall. At the same time I heard dealers complain that they had customers who wanted one, but they couldn't get one from Subaru. Subaru has a hit on its hands with the Forester. And they've had to introduce two new models with the new Legacy and Outback - which have been their bread and butter for years. And I believe they also make Camry's for Toyota at their Indiana plant. Which probably means their capacity for Tribeca's is not large. None of my local dealerships even has a 2010 Tribeca to sell.

I don't see them increasing production capacity in this economy, and I don't see them spending much on a redesign. So I think the Tribeca will be quietly dropped. I don't like it, and I think that it could have been a hit if properly executed, but that window has closed.

[Tribeca_06]

I saw yes...but it will grow more...b/c they need an SUV...and they need to ADVERTISE! like ofroad adventures like the outbackk commercials...its a great SUV..but right now...blends in way to much..like the Volvo S80..really nice..but blends in..its needs unigue features..i say it will have a redesign, i hope :)

[Hum]

We have the same problem here in Australia with the 2010 model, no stock available and a short waiting list. Not bad for a vehicle with no advertising. It's still selling in OK numbers here. Most sales would be from recommendations from current Tribeca owners, I know 2 people that have bought 1 after being in mine.

Seriously though, Subaru don't have that many models, there is no excuse for not doing a redesign, they have nothing else in the pipe line.

The next model could be a winner if made a little larger to compete with CX-9 BMW X5 and Audi Q7.

[SubieDriver]

I agree. A little larger (longer & wider), more towing capacity (at least 5,000 lbs.), and I'll be in the market for one in a few years (after I wear out my '07, and after I buy a Legacy STI (still hoping...)).

[Tribeca_06]

yeah, the next redo will be hopefully near perfect, and bigger, and subaru doesnt have any other midesize-fullsize suvs so the Tribeca will remain

[Tony999]

Are they going to add an extra 'c' to the name too!? ;)

[marshall.team]

For what it's worth... this is NOT the next Subaru Tribeca, but here's what Subaru has been showing lately as their next gen concept (hybrid):

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/automobiles/autoshow/LA-SUBARU-HYBRID.html

The article says this may arrive 2012!

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/12/06/automobiles/06subaru-span/articleLarge.jpg
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Introduced on Thursday: Subaru Hybrid Tourer Concept.

Is it real? Same story as when it was unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show in October: car, no; gas-electric hybrid system, yes.

What they said: “At start-up and extremely low speeds when fuel efficiency is low, such as when driving the car into a garage, the rear electric motor is primarily used, which allows driving without engaging the gasoline engine. During normal driving, the front engine is primarily used. Under full acceleration, the rear motor assists the driving power of the engine to achieve advanced driving performance,” according to press materials.

What they didn’t say: Remember the good old days of two years ago, when an automaker could wow the crowd simply by slapping on a hybrid badge? Now Subaru must roll out gullwing doors, a future-shock interior and glowing green strip lighting to flag down spectators.

What makes it tick? A 2-liter horizontally opposed direct-injection turbo engine, two electric motors and high-performance lithium batteries. Rounding things out are familiar names: Lineartronic C.V.T., the same transmission technology found in the new Outback and Legacy, and Subaru’s Symmetrical all-wheel-drive system.

How much, how soon? The car is a fantasy, but Subaru’s hybrid system should arrive in 2012. Most likely it will land in an existing production model rather than an all-new vehicle.

How’s it look? Any chance the Tourer’s design team could take a crack at the rest of the Subaru lineup?

[marshall.team]

More photos here:

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/tokyo-2009-subaru-hybrid-tourer/

Drool, hope, pray... I'd love to just have Subaru even offer existing Tribeca users say an upgrade to the existing software for the audio/GPS. Top of the line Tribeca of today does not have the ability for the radio to pick up the song title, and radio station name! Yikes. And the GPS is so outdated. Man, let's start with the basics.

I do love my Tribeca. But we can always hope for more!

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/mh00904105.jpg

[SubieDriver]

More photos here:

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/tokyo-2009-subaru-hybrid-tourer/

Drool, hope, pray... I'd love to just have Subaru even offer existing Tribeca users say an upgrade to the existing software for the audio/GPS. Top of the line Tribeca of today does not have the ability for the radio to pick up the song title, and radio station name! Yikes. And the GPS is so outdated. Man, let's start with the basics.

I do love my Tribeca. But we can always hope for more!



I agree on the radio. I have a friend who has an older Chrysler minivan that has the song/artist/station info. My Tribeca was recently in for repairs (after hitting a deer), and I got a Pontiac Vibe (Toyota Matrix clone) as a rental, and it had all the song/artist/station info on the radio, and it was a base model!

Subaru should be a step ahead of the inferior competition, not a step behind!

[Hum]

This could very well be Subaru's new SUV direction. If they dump the Tribeca and make a premium SUV to go up against the BMW X6 or Acura ZDX, I'll be there.

Anyone else love the Acura ZDX, pity they don't export to Australia.

[mstinger2003]

I heard a rumor that they were going to drop the Tribeca and make a 7 pass Outback option. I hope that they don't do that. A 7pass Outback would be all right but I hope they don't discontinue the Tribeca. The new Tribeca has a few nice options, HID's on the top of the line although I am not sure about the painted bumpers?

[legandrex]

My local dealer has one...little chance of them selling when the largest volume selling dealer in WI has one.

[SubieDriver]

Subaru should definitely go for the hat-trick. They've already won SUV of the year for Forester, then for Outback. If they would do something good with the Tribeca, they could get it for the third year running!

Come on Subaru!

[Tribeca_06]

^exactly it

[GlennD]

I purchased my Tribeca Dec 6. most dealers only had one. The closest dealer to me had none. I had to dealer surf to find one with the options I wanted.

That said, after 2000 miles, I am very happy with my 2010 limited. I wish it had a larger gas tank but thats about my only wishlist.

I have a gray Tribeca and I think the black unpainted trim is just fine. I really liked the red one that Irvine had but I can not stand the beige (tan) interior.

[SubieDriver]

Welcome to the group! The gas tank size is a common complaint. It could be bigger, but I find on trips I regularly get over 300 miles on a tank, and that's about the right time to get out and stretch, so it's not that big of a deal for me.

[Tribeca_06]

Welcome!
tan is just imposible to keep clean...hows the bluetooth system? kinda dumb spot on the roof where the sunglass holder was but..atleast it has it for that price point and its voice command? Is the navi voice command too?

[SubieDriver]

That's okay, the sunglass holder is mostly useless anyway. I've tried to fit several different pairs of sunglasses in mine, and none fit. It's good to see they put that space to better use.

[Tribeca_06]

true i would rather have the bluetooth..but acutally i had the same problem but you may be putting them in wrong like me...i would put them in so the front lense of the glasses are facing out when you the holder, put what you do its put it in so the lenses are facing up so when you open it you see the side of them

[SubieDriver]

Hmm, I think I tried that, but I'll try it again to be sure. I remember trying to fit them in several different ways and found they were to tall to fit one way, and too deep to fit another way. I'll try again. They're the wrap-around type, so they don't fold very flat.

[calversubaru]

just bought a 2010 Tribeca Touring last night! only 1 in stock and close to my house. great deal on the car and happy that i now have a 7 passenger car. no more borrowing sister's Pilot. looked at Mazda CX-9 but dealers had no AWD. Tribeca is more expensive but drives better and looks better than the Mazda. the only Touring dealer had was a dark blue exterior with beige interior. would prefer black but there aren't too many 2010 Tourings out there so got that teflon coating for the interior to prevent stains.

[Tribeca_06]

teflon coating..whats that? i want that..haha the tan is annoying to keep clean but it holds up well..and Welcome!! I like the 2010 touring and the blue is really nice too, i also like the harmon kardon sound and factory bluetooth! Nice choice over the mazda :)

[SubieDriver]

Congrats on the purchase! You'll enjoy it.

[GlennD]

I have had my gray one since dec 6. I wanted a Gray, NON Puke tan interior and I love the gray. The bluetooth works fine with my Motorola V750.

I had to get a car from stock since I wanted the stimilus credit. I paid for a few unwanted options but overall I am happy with my Tribeca.

One thing I found was the door panels buzzed in the Harmon Karden audio option. I removed the panels and lined them with Dynamat XL and it totally cured the bass buzz!

[Magic Marker]

I have had my gray one since dec 6. I wanted a Gray, NON Puke tan interior and I love the gray. The bluetooth works fine with my Motorola V750.

I had to get a car from stock since I wanted the stimilus credit. I paid for a few unwanted options but overall I am happy with my Tribeca.

One thing I found was the door panels buzzed in the Harmon Karden audio option. I removed the panels and lined them with Dynamat XL and it totally cured the bass buzz!
Let's see some pics!

[GlennD]

I see no reason for photos of a totally stock Tribeca.

[andrec]

I read on Edmunds.com that the Tribeca is due for a redesign coming late 2010 for 2011. My lease is up on the 08 in November. I hope the timing works...

[Tribeca_06]

ohhhh snapp what article??

[andrec]

Here is the link...

http://www.edmunds.com/futuremodels/2011/index.html

[Tribeca_06]

ohh sweeeet

[andrec]

If the new Beca comes too late, we may go for a Acura TL SH-AWD. I dont want to lease a car that will be old 2 months later... The lease rates on the TL are REALLY good.

[Tribeca_06]

that made my day.. i hope its redone by then and hmm Acura AWD nice..the TL is too "outthere" for my taste.. but i hear the Acura Navi system is very advaned and the Acura is a real drivers car

[andrec]

After I drove the TL, I was drooling. Now if I convince the wife...

[Tribeca_06]

convince? why wouldnt she want it..or she wants that 2011 tribeca.. haha

[andrec]

She does not know if she wants a car. Either way we will have two Subaru's in the Family or a Honda/Acura and Subie in the Family. Going for the 2011 WRX when it comes out...

[Bullroarer Took]

At the top of the page it says:

The following timeline is based upon our best estimated projections in relation to the manufacturer's historic model lifecycles and current industry news.

Since there has been no news for the Tribeca, it is simply a guess based upon the life cycle. I hope it's true, but won't get my hopes up.

[Hum]

I just checked out the nissan murano, wow they really have included everything. The murano features that are missing on my tribeca are,

1. auto lights
2. auto wipers
3. intergrated blue tooth with steering wheel control
4. electric folding mirriors
5. electric steering column
6. electric tailgate
7. start/stop button
8. panoramic sunroof
9. bose 11 speaker sound system
10. power folding rear seats

I just didn't think subaru was that far off the competition. Both cars cost the same over here too. With my tribeca clocking just over 100,000k's over 3 years old I'm in the market for a new car. Do I hold out for the new tribeca or give up?

[Tribeca_06]

are you going by the New current Maurano or Maurano or 06-07 Maurano?
I would not go for a Nissan..ive went to many dealers.. they are SNOBS! i couldnt believe it. Tribeca without Xenon have auto daytime running lights? Mine does.. the main things the beca needs are Push botton, Power gate, pano and folding seats..(why not) but the current Tribeca has all the others..bluetooth not on wheel tho.. bummer..but atleast it has it and im sure the next Tribeca will include everything and on wheel.. so i would wait for the Next Tribeca if you like Subaru and the family that comes with it b.c i think its going to be a major hit, all new subarus that have come out have been hits.. forester, outback, legacy...the new Beca is gonna be nice. and i would stay away from Nissan..i would go with anything but them pretty much, im intrested in certified pre owned cars.. meaning a "used" say mercerdes with >15,000 miles

[HB_Dad]

That's okay, the sunglass holder is mostly useless anyway. I've tried to fit several different pairs of sunglasses in mine, and none fit. It's good to see they put that space to better use.

I always use my sunglass holder as an Altoids holder!! :lol:

[HB_Dad]

I posted this awhile ago on Nasioc, but anyway here's my stab at a next-generation Tribeca based on the 2010 Tribeca:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t137/HB_Dad/SUbaru2/NextGenerationTribecaSketch.png

I squared-off the back, raised the roof by about 2 inches, steepened the windshield incline (for a thinner dask and thus more interior room), and extended the rear overhang about 3 or 4 inches. The wheelbase has not changed at all. I know its rough, but what do you all think?

[andrec]

Um, Ewww. Looks like a last generation GM minivan from the side.:eek:

[SubieDriver]

I posted this awhile ago on Nasioc, but anyway here's my stab at a next-generation Tribeca based on the 2010 Tribeca:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t137/HB_Dad/SUbaru2/NextGenerationTribecaSketch.png

I squared-off the back, raised the roof by about 2 inches, steepened the windshield incline (for a thinner dask and thus more interior room), and extended the rear overhang about 3 or 4 inches. The wheelbase has not changed at all. I know its rough, but what do you all think?

Definitely ruins the lines. It would be wrong to leave the wheelbase the same - that would throw more weight outside the wheelbase, ruining the vehicle dynamics.

What they really need to do is widen and lengthen the vehicle, but keep the overall shape the same, or very slightly changed.

People buying vehicles in this class don't like the drastic changes that have become common with the Impreza, and they sure don't want one that looks like a Chevy minivan. Subaru would have to drop the price by $10,000.

[Tribeca_06]

hmmm i can see that KINDA.. in size.. but less boxy hopefully, and the front would resemble that of the current outback i would think and new rims..i hope it doesnt go all Honda Pilot --> eww. maybe something more Mazda? but with its own personality ofcourse

[SimonD]

You're dead right about the longer wheelbase. It is the biggest issue with the old model. They have stretched and widened the old Legacy platform with big overhangs as far as it will go. The new Legacy platform lends itself far better to being the basis for an SUV. Unfortunately it also means that the new Legacy is a shadow of its former self and is too ugly, slow, ill handling and cheap inside to sell in the UK now.
I doubt the Tribeca will be marketed in the UK again unless they come up with a six pot diesel. It has taken them almost 4 years to sell 800 '07 Tribecas over here - even when they were offering 35% discounts.

[Tribeca_06]

oh wow

[GlennD]

Why does everyone want the butt ugly squared off back? I was considering another 4Runner but I can not stand the back. See the Pilot or the Pathfinder also.

For me and I admit I am an exception, my 2010 is just about perfect.

[SubieDriver]

You're dead right about the longer wheelbase. It is the biggest issue with the old model. They have stretched and widened the old Legacy platform with big overhangs as far as it will go. The new Legacy platform lends itself far better to being the basis for an SUV. Unfortunately it also means that the new Legacy is a shadow of its former self and is too ugly, slow, ill handling and cheap inside to sell in the UK now.
I doubt the Tribeca will be marketed in the UK again unless they come up with a six pot diesel. It has taken them almost 4 years to sell 800 '07 Tribecas over here - even when they were offering 35% discounts.

The new Legacy is on the Tribeca chassis, so your logic should be reversed: The Tribeca makes a nice basis for the new Legacy.

That has been their trend: The '08 Impreza was moved to the '05-'09 Legacy platform, and the '10 Legacy was moved to the Tribeca platform. The next step would have been to make a new, larger platform for the Tribeca, but slow sales has put a delay on that.


Why does everyone want the butt ugly squared off back? I was considering another 4Runner but I can not stand the back. See the Pilot or the Pathfinder also.

For me and I admit I am an exception, my 2010 is just about perfect.

I second this. I definitely don't want a squared-off back. If I wanted that, I already have a zillion other SUVs from which to choose.

The current Tribeca looks great. All they need to do is make it a little larger. Stretch the length and width (and may be the height a smidgen), but keep the proportions the same, and I'll be happy. Otherwise I'll be moving to a used Audi Q7 when my Tribeca is needing to be replaced.

[SimonD]

The new Legacy is on the Tribeca chassis, so your logic should be reversed: The Tribeca makes a nice basis for the new Legacy.


You're right, I hadn't noticed that the new Legacy has the same wheelbase as the Tribeca. That would go some way to explaining why the new Legacy handles so poorly ;) :).
They'll still have to lengthen that wheelbase to make the Tribeca any longer though. The Q7 is nice but a lot more expensive than the Tribeca. I'd go for the X5 if I felt like spending that much but to be honest the Tribeca does 90% of the job for 50-60% of the money. I've grown rather fond of the old barge. There's also the fact that over here you see half a dozen X5/Q7/RRs before you get to the end of the road, no one knows what a Tribeca is!

[SubieDriver]

I agree. I've been quite happy with my '07 Tribeca, though I occasionally wish for a bit more power (3.6 transplant, maybe?), and a bit more space. Space wasn't an issue until I got married and acquired two extra little people (to add to my three). Now it's not quite big enough when I pack them all in.

Is Subaru planning to make a minivan yet?

Oh, and to respond to your X5 comment - I haven't really been impressed by it. I heard that the Tribeca had the X5 in its sights when it was first designed, and topped it in performance, handling, and space.

[SimonD]

The Tribeca is miles behind the X5 in both performance and handling. It had more space than the original X5 but the new larger version (introduced in '07 I think) resolves that issue. The X5 is a far better car but by the time you spec it up to Tribeca levels it costs almost twice as much as a discounted Tribeca over here.
The Q7 is very nice but the consensus is that it falls short of the X5. These days I'm more concerned with comfort, space and not spending the kid's school fees than on performance and "badge" appeal.

I saw the pictures of a Subaru minivan based on the Legacy but have heard no more. Maybe it will be released on the extended Tribeca platform :)!

[SubieDriver]

When the Tribeca first came out (in '05 as an '06 model here in the US), the X5 only had the 3.0 liter engine. The Subie 3.0 liter put out more power, and, with the Tribeca being lighter, gave the Tribeca the advantage. I might have been wrong about it out-handling the X5, but it did beat it in most ways. Ground clearance is one area that I forgot in my last post.

But you're right, the X5 has advanced, and the Tribeca hasn't (other than upgrading the engine and reprogramming the tranny (and the facelift)).

We're definitely due for a new model to keep up with the competition.

Here in the US, Motor Trend voted the '09 Forester as SUV of the year, then, this year, they voted the '10 Outback as SUV of the year. If Subaru can get the next Tribeca finished in time for 2011, maybe they can get three in a row.

[Tribeca_06]

The BMW X5 i a BMW X5...i still believe as much as i love my Tribeca, nothing handles like a BMW its just a BMW lol but thats why (new) its very expensive, worth it? maybe?.. lol but its in a differnt segment then the Tribeca so really comparing them is ehh; i mean they are similiar, Tribeca gives you many options like that of the X5, handles really well but its still not like the X5. The Tribeca just tops the other Honda/Mazda/Volvo/Ford suvs ( in my opinion :) )

[SimonD]

...but, Subaru made it very clear that they were targetting the X5 when the Tribeca was launched here in the summer of 2006. There wasn't much between the two 3.0 engines then in power but the X5's was more economical and felt quicker because it had a decent auto box rather than Subaru's lethargic over-geared effort.
The launch price here was £34k for the top spec SE7 which undercut the base X5 by about £1k. 3 years later, having imported only 850 (I was told by a dealer) they were selling the exact same cars new for £22-23k.
Our road tax system means that petrol SUVs are only selling at the top end of the market (£70k+ RRs and Cayennes) and even then in small numbers. If you haven't got a diesel (or maybe a Lexus hybrid) then you don't get to play!

Our Tribeca is a nice place to be for family holidays................now if only I could stop that dash rattling....................:).

[Tribeca_06]

dash rattle? it may be your front struts or bushings..it sounds like a rattle or pop or bump..but its the bushings or struts 90% of the time

the Tribeca is a great car and can tackle the X5 to a certain extent :)

[SimonD]

No it is in the dash behind the instrument cowling and completely intermittent. My wife uses the car day to day but when I use it I remove the cowling and poke and prod around to try to isolate the problem. If you press on the dash just behind the instruments it goes away but I'm reluctant to dismantle any further.

[Tribeca_06]

you should bring it to the dealer b/c ive heard of a ratttle in the dash and people sent them to the dealer and they solved it.. usually something is just not connected properly so it shouldnt be an issue

[SimonD]

My dealer has just shut down and I don't know of another I would trust to take the dash apart. I'm not paying £100/hour for someone that's probably never worked on a Tribeca before to poke around in there and possibly make it worse!
I'm a little concerned about the future of Subaru over here. First there was the Tribeca flop, then the poorly received Impreza (unjustifiably so IMO) but the biggest worry is the new Legacy. They've replaced the best car they ever made with another generic over priced wagon - an ugly one with a nasty interior at that!
The Forester is the best car in the line-up right now but I don't know if that will be enough. There are some improved Impreza models coming next year but unless they can get the emissions down they won't be financially viable.

[Tribeca_06]

maybe go to Europe's Subaru site to locate the closest dealer? im not sure for Europe.. i cant believe Subaru isn't popular over there..here in the U.S all models..not so much Tribeca are popular
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[SimonD]

I was talking about Subaru dealers - I know where they are but taking a car in for several hours of work (and a big bill) with no guarantee of success seems daft to me.
Subaru still have quite a loyal following but the latest models are alienating their customer base. Their cars sold on durability and driver appeal but the latest models have shown a move towards the mainstream. The new Legacy offers nothing other than a bit more space over the old model. The interior is a step backwards in quality, it now has generic Japanese saloon looks (only a bit uglier) and the drive - once Subaru's strong point - is a huge step backwards. Why would anyone buy one when the running costs are so much higher than a Toyota/Honda/Mazda?

[SubieDriver]

The running costs aren't actually much higher than Toyota/Honda/Mazda. For the equivalently-equipped models, the MPG is very close. Sure, you have a little extra frictional drag because of the extra drivetrain hardware, but Subaru has done great at minimizing that shortcoming.

Most other running expenses, oil, tranny fluid, tires, brake pads, etc., are the same as any other car.

[SimonD]

This could be down to Subaru UK but the servicing costs of most Subarus exceed the likes of BMW and Mercedes. They are far more expensive than their mainstream competition. This could be down to hourly rates, times allocated for jobs or parts prices. The Yen exchange rate hasn't helped either.
However, the cars are more expensive to buy and run than the Japanese competition. The cheapest Legacy is about the same price as the most expensive Honda Accord. The Honda is better built drives as well (if not better) and is significantly cheaper to buy and run. The Toyota Avensis (not sure if you get that one in the US) and Mazda 6 are cheaper still.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Subarus but I am frustrated with the new models. I know that these other cars don't have AWD but if all it is doing for you is creating more friction, weight and cost; why bother?
The old Legacy was a cracking car, where has that design flair gone?

[SubieDriver]

I think prices here in the US are more comparable to the Toyota/Honda/Mazda competition. I believe Subaru perceives the US market to be more cutthroat, so they need to be competitive on cost.

I also think that service/parts costs aren't too far from the competition, but I don't have much to go by - I've owned 3 Subarus in succession, so I've only been to the Subaru dealer for the last 8 years.

I suppose I'm fortunate to have three Subie dealers within 30 miles of me - that probably keeps costs at tolerable levels.

[kmartin]

What about something more like this? Same rounded off back, but about 8-10" longer (guesstimating here)? Almost looks like a big Outback now (maybe that's a good thing???). Windows need to be tweaked, etc., but I'm just playing around with Photoshop...

http://members.cox.net/kamartin/2011%20Tribeca%20concept.jpg

-Karen in AZ-

[SubieDriver]

You're right - that does make it look more Outback-ish.
Try stretching the wheelbase a bit to keep the rear overhang from getting too big.

[SubieDriver]

Okay, here's my attempt:

[Tribeca_06]

omg thats like dead on, it looks like a New 2010 Outback structure...i can see that but i think the face is going to be redesigned to something more, dramatic but not too dramatic?

[awd_envy]

I know you guys mean well, but THANK GOD you are not Subaru designers... LOL.

My biggest gripe about the current Tribeca line is the lack of a 6th gear. I mean... this is a glaring problem with the line. This would help with fuel economy, road/engine noise, and overall performance in the current mid 5th gear range. Even the base model Legacy's have this.

[SubieDriver]

I don't think the Tribeca needs a 6th gear. It just needs to be geared a little lower to reduce engine revs at highway speeds. Even my 3.0 doesn't need a 6th gear (it just needs more torque). With the 3.6, the powerband is wide enough that you don't need any additional gears.

[awd_envy]

I don't think the Tribeca needs a 6th gear. It just needs to be geared a little lower to reduce engine revs at highway speeds. Even my 3.0 doesn't need a 6th gear (it just needs more torque). With the 3.6, the powerband is wide enough that you don't need any additional gears.
The Acura MDX, BMW X5, and numerous other upper class line cars the Tribeca competes in all have 6 gears. Perhaps they're just silly.. :D

There is no question in my mind the Tribeca lacks in this reguard. Perhaps you just haven't driven in a 6 speed frequent enough to see the benefits. By gearing the tribeca wider to cut down on revs you are sacrificing on both the avg fuel economy and the existing close ratio performance... where as a 6th gear increases the fuel economy, keeps the revs down, and the performance up.

My next family SUV will without question have 6 speeds... the question is if a newer Tribeca will make it to that comparison list. It might be my preference, but I've talked to a few people and I know I'm not alone. For a highway vehicle type family car, it's a no-brainer.

[LORE BECA]

6 speeds can be clunky with my experience with trucks and my present 6 speed tundra is not any different. There is always a give and take and 5 speed is not bad with the 3.6L.

The Acura MDX, BMW X5, and numerous other upper class line cars the Tribeca competes in all have 6 gears. Perhaps they're just silly.. :D

There is no question in my mind the Tribeca lacks in this reguard. Perhaps you just haven't driven in a 6 speed frequent enough to see the benefits. By gearing the tribeca wider to cut down on revs you are sacrificing on both the avg fuel economy and the existing close ratio performance... where as a 6th gear increases the fuel economy, keeps the revs down, and the performance up.

My next family SUV will without question have 6 speeds... the question is if a newer Tribeca will make it to that comparison list. It might be my preference, but I've talked to a few people and I know I'm not alone. For a highway vehicle type family car, it's a no-brainer.

[SimonD]

The Tribeca would certainly benefit from an extra gear or two but they should be put between 3rd and fourth and 4th and fifth.
The one thing it will never need is gearing any higher than the current fifth gear. It is already massively overgeared - presumably for economy. I seem to remember it works out to 186mph at peak power but the car struggles to get past 120mph (in fourth!!).
The current Mercedes seven speed autos are very good but the changes are much quicker and smoother than anything you'll get from a Subaru auto box. The thought of an extra slow and lurchy change from the Subaru box doesn't exactly fill me with enthusiasm.

[Tribeca_06]

thats true, my E-class is much smoother

[mortemon]

I posted this awhile ago on Nasioc, but anyway here's my stab at a next-generation Tribeca based on the 2010 Tribeca:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t137/HB_Dad/SUbaru2/NextGenerationTribecaSketch.png

I squared-off the back, raised the roof by about 2 inches, steepened the windshield incline (for a thinner dask and thus more interior room), and extended the rear overhang about 3 or 4 inches. The wheelbase has not changed at all. I know its rough, but what do you all think?

Nooooooo

[Tribeca_06]

Well i heard from a magazine that the Tribeca is going to be re-done for 2011..this mag. site seems to be right so far. for example, i also drive Volvos; it said the Volvo V70 was going to be discontinued for next year, and its correct.. its being replaced.. so i got my hopes up for 2011!

[LORE BECA]

Talked to head of sales on my last oil change at dealership and was told that SUBARU is not telling what they will do. He thinks they are considering even discontinuing the TRIBECA. The msrp on these new 2010's tribeca limited and touring is at a different higher price bracket that you can consider a GLK 350 in that price range. When we purchased the S.E. it was a good buy in comparison to other vehicles we considered in 09.

No offense to SUBARU but between a GLK and Tribeca, I would go with a 7 speed 350 GLK.

[LORE BECA]

I think that SUBARU needs to stop trying to pass the Tribeca of as a 7 seater, it is not by a long shot to its competitors. It is a nice 5 seater that should be enlarged if they want the market of the 7 seater CUV. LOOK at the cx9 and traverse and compare the third row, no comparison at all.

Making it bigger is also making it heavier, it will need more horsepower and a more powerful power plant.

As a consumer they need to refine the present TRIBECA and fix those rattles in interior and fine tune the vehicle and present price. Maybe have direct injection to increase HP. Vehicle looks modern enough, just needs to step up QUALITY in this very unique AWD.

just my opinion....

[LORE BECA]

WE shall see.

Well i heard from a magazine that the Tribeca is going to be re-done for 2011..this mag. site seems to be right so far. for example, i also drive Volvos; it said the Volvo V70 was going to be discontinued for next year, and its correct.. its being replaced.. so i got my hopes up for 2011!

[Tribeca_06]

i agree, and i think they will keep it because they need an suv and its a good suv it just needs to be shown in its class

[GREEKBOY]

Here in Greece the Tribeca is not available for sale any log....only Forester...crisis...

[Tribeca_06]

ohhh wow. do they have Legacy and Outback too?

[SimonD]

Nobody in Europe will buy a large SUV without a diesel engine these days.
Even Porsche have had to relent and put an Audi diesel in the Cayenne.
Saloons/sedans are the same. BMW say that in excess of 90% of all 5-series sales in Europe will be diesels. If you look at the performance and economy figures for BMW in particular there is no choice to be made.

[Tribeca_06]

yeah thats seems to be true. Well hopefully the new Tribeca will come out in the U.S around this September?

[SubieDriver]

yeah thats seems to be true. Well hopefully the new Tribeca will come out in the U.S around this September?

We can only hope.

Indications from SOA were that they were taking a wait-and-see attitude. The current model will just be extended until something changes. If sales pick up, they'll redesign it. If sales taper off, it'll disappear.

For now, it looks like the 2011, which should have been a redesign, will just be the same as the 2010, with maybe some options added.

[Tribeca_06]

I hope. According to this edmunds site it said a redesign it a lot came true so far on the site so im holding faith! haha. but Subaru needs an SUV right? i mean that cant not have one?

[BzB]

...but Subaru needs an SUV right? i mean that cant not have one?
some might say they already have the SUV segment covered with the outback (which ironically won SUV of the year) and the forester. the challenge with those cars is they can't compete with the interior space, cargo space, and seating options of more traditional mid-size SUVs from their competitors. that's where the tribeca comes into play.

imo the challenge with the tribeca is that as a new vehicle its pricing needs to be more competitive with similar vehicles in the segment. however, on the flip side, as a used vehicle it's very competitive at used car prices. used vehicle sales don't really help subaru though...

[LORE BECA]

I don't want to go smaller then the TRIBECA when it comes time for a crossover.

I have heard rumblings from a SUBARU dealer that they may phase it out completely.

[Tribeca_06]

yeah but the Outback does not have the luxury as the Tribeca. I mean the Outback doesnt have that sky roof anymore which i found weird.. idk Subaru is doing really well and i think the would want a 7 passenger but that is true thee Outback won as SUV of the year..

[LORE BECA]

That market is competitive, look at the new EXPLORER this year.

Ford believes there is still a market, the thing looks like the ARCADIA.

[Tribeca_06]

AHH!! Yes i said the SAME thing!! hahaha. i was thinking did they buy the shell from GM? That is NOT the Explorer i know.. but hey, people love those Arcadia/Enclave/Traverse/Outlook things for the space and semi good gas mileage i guess.. so Subaru deff needs an suv and also every brand, even Porsche has an SUV.. and the Outback is more like a Volvo Xc70 so IMO that doesnt count for the SUV of the brand :)

[BzB]

I agree, the tribeca does have a more upscale feel to it than other offerings from Subaru. It also has the most space. Personally I think they need the tribeca, but they seem to be having a tough time convincing some in the automotive community. If you look at Subaru's overall sales it looks like adding the tribeca to the lineup has helped.

[Tribeca_06]

yeah the Tribeca adds more luxury to subaru. they just need to advertise more and really come up with a suv that can be used for a 7 passenger car. hopefully it wont look like say an GMC Arcadia but it will have the same practicality. Or if they make it a 5pass like the Lexus Rx it needs more luxury options and a really hot/luxury design to compete

[BzB]

true. ideally they can improve materials and ergonomics without making the exterior huge like the acadia and cousins. toyota pulled it off with the 2nd gen highlander. the exterior dimensions of that car remained virtually the same as the first gen, but the second and third rows have much improved leg room.

[LORE BECA]

Came close to an OUTLOOK before Tribeca due to price and could not park it in garage next to truck. They were dead even until wife decided on TRIBECA.

ARCADIA and Outlook have excellent space, but can't imagine SUBARU ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT BIG requiring a more powerful engine and tranny to overcome weight.

[SubieDriver]

I'm hoping Subaru does have new engines and transmissions in the works, because the current Tribeca can only tow 3500 lbs. Many vehicles in its class can tow 4500 or 5000. I'm thinking it's because the tranny can't handle the extra load.

I also heard some time back that the 3.6 was capable of at least 300 hp, but Subaru didn't have a transmission that would handle it, so they detuned it. (actually, the STI and Spec.B 6MTs will handle it, but they didn't think anyone would go for a manual in a luxury SUV).

I'm hoping they're well on their way towards having a 6 or 7 speed auto that can handle 300+ hp and torque.

[LORE BECA]

300HP AND A STOUTER TRANNY would definitely warrant those wide tires the beca comes with.
If they can get 300hp of juice out of the 3.6, wow 0-60mph watch out!

I'm hoping Subaru does have new engines and transmissions in the works, because the current Tribeca can only tow 3500 lbs. Many vehicles in its class can tow 4500 or 5000. I'm thinking it's because the tranny can't handle the extra load.

I also heard some time back that the 3.6 was capable of at least 300 hp, but Subaru didn't have a transmission that would handle it, so they detuned it. (actually, the STI and Spec.B 6MTs will handle it, but they didn't think anyone would go for a manual in a luxury SUV).

I'm hoping they're well on their way towards having a 6 or 7 speed auto that can handle 300+ hp and torque.

[Tribeca_06]

The Tribeca will either be like a Rx350 or a 7pass crossover. They need to pick one and i think its better of competing with semi luxo-7 pass crossovers like the Highlander or it needs to step up its game to be with the RX

[Tribeca_06]

like that new Kia Sorrento, they made it able to have features like keyless ignition, pano roof and a good look and sales are up 200%.. thats what the Tribeca needs. The Sorrento went from no sales to tons!

fyi - Im in North Carolina for the week and I actually saw several Tribeca's.. prob about 3/4 a day

[LORE BECA]

Sub needs to consider direct injection and really kick some you know what.

That motor does not need turbo, just some tweaking.

[LORE BECA]

Talked to sales department at dealership and at this time SUBARU is not building any new TRIBECA models of this body style. He tells me that vehicle line may be scrapped all together but they still don't know whats up for future of tribeca.

[Tribeca_06]

hmm maybe they are going to build something bigger. I think the might do like what Volvo did with their S60 sedan. Killed it for a year and now are bringing it back for a huge comeback

[SubieDriver]

I think they would have been better off by riding the wave that the Forester and Outback started - two SUV-Of-The-Year awards. A new Tribeca could have kept that run going. If they wait a year, public awareness drops off.

[Soulcoughin]

The dealer we purchased our 2010 Tribeca from last month didn't know the future of the vehicle either. It's a shame that Subaru would possibly stop making the Tribeca. My wife and I have enjoyed immensly driving our Tribeca in the few weeks we have owned the vehicle.

With a few tweaks (I think we all know what these should be!) and bit more advertising for 2011, I think the Tribeca would compete very well with the competition.

[SimonD]

Agreed. For all my complaining about the gearbox I've grown rather fond of the old barge. My wife will be commuting by train from next week so I'll be using it more often over the next few months.
It's not fast, it doesn't handle, the gearbox is shocking and the build quality is shakey in places but it has a certain something. Our kids love the view, the DVD and the seven seats and I still think the interior is a really nice place to be (even if that dash rattle is still proving elusive).

[LORE BECA]

If they make it bigger, they will need more power and a sturdier transmission, for sure.

[Soulcoughin]

I too noticed that towing info was left out of the advertising literature for the Tribeca....that does need to be addressed.

[awd_envy]

I too noticed that towing info was left out of the advertising literature for the Tribeca....that does need to be addressed.

Isn't that included in the towing package option info? I know it changes the tow capacity from 2,000 to 3,500lbs.

[Soulcoughin]

I just found it very hard to find any towing information...be it at 2,000 without the package, or 3,500 with the package.

[SubieDriver]

Here's a good source:
cars101.com

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/tribeca/tribeca2010.html
Search for "towing":
Tow 3,500 pounds with transmission cooler and trailer brakes.
2000 pounds without transmission cooler.
Tongue weight: 200 pounds, 300 pounds with transmission cooler
Trailer brakes are required when the trailer and its cargo exceed 1,000 lbs.
Emergency towing: you can't flat tow a Subaru automatic transmission behind a tow truck or motorhome, you have to use a flatbed. In an emergency however, you can tow it for a short distance (under 31miles) at very slow speed (under 20mph).

[awd_envy]

Just for reference, the tongue weight on my Subaru trailer package says 450lbs. Not sure how adding a trans cooler is suppose to effect the tongue weight from the above mentioned 200 to 300lbs considering its WELL below the basic tow weight, and the cooler ads nothing to the rigidity or structure of the hitch mount. Thats like saying I need a trans cooler just to haul another person.

[SubieDriver]

Hmm, according to subaru.com, the tongue weight is rated at 350 lbs.:
http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/tribeca/premium/accessories-options.html#features-tabs-features

Click Exterior - 4th item down is the hitch.

Trailer Hitch
Heavy-duty rated at 350 lbs. tongue weight, 2,000 lbs. towing capacity. Towing capacity may be increased to 3,500 lbs. with the addition of the accessory Transmission Oil Cooler. Hitch ball not included. Trailer brakes may be needed.

[LORE BECA]

I never considered towing with this vehicle ( have truck for that with 11,000 lbs. capability max), but nice to know what max is on the BECA.

[Tribeca_06]

http://www.edmunds.com/futuremodels/2012/index.html

re-design for 2012? :)

[awegust]

@ Tribeca_06: One can hope! I receive compliments on this vehicle all the time. It's new to me as of 2010, and with my 2006 b9, I can only guess that Subaru was way ahead of the curve judging by the controversy of this car's initial look. The three nostril grill is fun and rare. The body is well-shaped. The paint job is picture perfect. The interior is 'amazing.' I really am a fan of the Tribeca, despite this first version's need for premium gas. I hope it holds up.

If Subaru does redesign the Tribeca, my desire is to see it lose its ill-considered generic direction. Subaru is recognized as 'niche,' especially here in the snow-belt. People take pride in their Subaru cars. These drivers don't want a Chrysler and I wouldn't buy one. It should return with more of the luxe feel, and more of the odd, fun beauty that it was introduced with. Also, give the girl a bigger engine, or at least refine the transmission into something more elegant and stable. Lineartronic?

[Tribeca_06]

and thats excatly what us Tribeca owners need to let subaru know and have them do.. they can simply make the tribeca a best seller with characteristics from both generations

[McGurk]

While I have and like our '06 Tribeca, I don't think it fits into Subaru's lineup anymore. Have you parked next to a new Forester or Outback? The difference is marginal, and I think we aren't too far away from a 7 pass Outback. The market doesn't demand a large SUV like it did 8-10 years ago, when they could have cleaned up with the current Tribeca as an alternative to them. We have an '01 Outback that is our 2nd car (165k and going strong!) and it is in no way like an SUV. the '10 Outback? Very SUV-like (well, crossover, I guess is more like it). The current model lineups are FLOODED with crossovers, and Subaru made crossovers before crossovers were cool. They in fact have 3) vehicle that could be considered crossovers (Frstr, Otbk, Tbca) where they seem to just eat up eachother sales instead of making new customers.

I think an option that may work well here if they don't want to significantly change the Tribeca or make a 7 pass Outback would be to import the Australian Subaru Exiga.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Exiga

Either that, or come out with a bonified (gasp!) minivan with typical Subaru pinache. A vehicle like that would set it apart enough from a crossover (and existing offerings), and bring in new buyers to the dealership. The Mazda CX9 is along the lines that I am thinking.

Another thought is to go whole hog, and make a Honda Pilot sized vehicle, finesse a few more ponies out of that 3.6, and get a stronger tranny to make it a pseudo towing vehicle that could handle 7 pass. But, as far as the result a larger and more powerful new vehicle added to the lineup, just have a look at the Kia Borrego and how that has flopped on its face. I'd hate to see the millions of dollars wasted on that venture applied to our favorite carmaker.

[LORE BECA]

It was my wife that picked the TRIBECA, I wanted a 4runner 4th generation due to bigger size and room with proven trans and engine. Also like the RWD. Anything smaller then the TRIBECA would have been a no go for us. We looked at CX9 and if we had 3 kids it would have been between CX9 and 4runner.

The 3 rd row in TRIBECA is a joke in my opinion.

The Pilot just did not do it for us compared to the 4runner for the size.

The TRIBECA is competing in a CROSSOVER market flooded by this style vehicle. Meaning profits will suffer for SUBARU if the price stays where it is.

IN OUR AREA THE STICKER PRICE of a TRIBECA now IS WHERE THE mercedez GLK 350 is at, and since AWD is nice we don't get snow.

Either modify and price it correctly as a 2 row vehicle, or make it slightly bigger and go all out to try and get price they are asking for it.

The OUTBACK, FORESTER are at size of vehicle that is perfect market and value, so they are selling and I see allot of FORESTERS!!

[BzB]

very true that subaru basically has 3 crossovers, more or less, in its lineup. the new outback, forester, and tribeca are all closely matched with not much differentiating them.

that said, i haven't been inside a new forester, but at least from the exterior it's definitely close in size to the tribeca. don't know if the interior dimensions are comparable. while the outback isn't as big on the exterior side, it has the same ground clearance and interior space approaching that of the tribeca.

edit - the tribeca definitely has the nicest interior of the group, but the price when new puts it near the top of the crossover market. not a good look for subaru when you can get competitive vehicles for less.

[Tribeca_06]

well the new current tribeca looks like the forester, with the thin lights and i think they well have an suv.. like all the other makes and will make a new tribeca or something maybe right away or a year later, like the volvo s60 deal

[Hum]

If I was Subaru right now, I'd go down the line same as the new Range Rover Evogue coming out, and produce a sporty premium SUV, bring back that Subaru heritage. There would be a market for that. The BMW X6 seem to be selling in high numbers.

[Tribeca_06]

that makes a lot of sense and the Tribeca is kinda "sporty" b/c the interior is more sporty luxury with all the silver plastics and the dashboard sweep and the high up nav screen

[LORE BECA]

The Evogue looks a little like the new EXPLORER.

If I was Subaru right now, I'd go down the line same as the new Range Rover Evogue coming out, and produce a sporty premium SUV, bring back that Subaru heritage. There would be a market for that. The BMW X6 seem to be selling in high numbers.

[BzB]

the challenge with making a sporty suv is that it would have to be smaller than the tribeca. there really isn't much room in subaru's lineup for another small suv/crossover since the outback and forester has that covered. plus they need to give the tribeca more interior room if they want to make it a legitimate 7 pass.

like someone else mentioned, i think subaru might just end up discontinuing the tribeca until they can get their ducks in a row and figure out what they want to do with it.

[LORE BECA]

Well they are no longer building new ones of this body style, that fact is for sure.

the challenge with making a sporty suv is that it would have to be smaller than the tribeca. there really isn't much room in subaru's lineup for another small suv/crossover since the outback and forester has that covered. plus they need to give the tribeca more interior room if they want to make it a legitimate 7 pass.

like someone else mentioned, i think subaru might just end up discontinuing the tribeca until they can get their ducks in a row and figure out what they want to do with it.

[Tribeca_06]

HOLD UP. they arent producing any more 2010 Tribecas?

[Tribeca_06]

the challenge with making a sporty suv is that it would have to be smaller than the tribeca. there really isn't much room in subaru's lineup for another small suv/crossover since the outback and forester has that covered. plus they need to give the tribeca more interior room if they want to make it a legitimate 7 pass.

like someone else mentioned, i think subaru might just end up discontinuing the tribeca until they can get their ducks in a row and figure out what they want to do with it.

I really think thats whats going to happen. take it our for a year and then bring it back as a "whole new creation" from subaru.. i wish that doesnt happen tho but either way, i think the name TRIBECA will be around:rolleyes:

[LORE BECA]

I was in the dealer for some warranty work for the TRIBECA yesterday and that is still the word. Once this body style is sold out, no more new ones are being built.

Everything else is speculation cause SUBARU is not saying anything at this point.

HOLD UP. they arent producing any more 2010 Tribecas?

[gags77]

Well, they may drop it for a year and re-design like Nissan did with the Murano. Or they may drop it all together. Subaru has a history of that. Look how upset people were when they dropped the Baja. My father-in-law loves his and won't give it up for anything. I love my Tribeca and wish they'd go for a 3-fer (Forester 09, Outback 10, and Tribeca 11), but sales are money. My only hope is that since Subaru hasn't said anything that they have some sort of plan in mind for a re-design. Usually when a company discontinues a car they announce it fairly early, don't they? You know to try and sell off what they already have? idk...grasping at straws maybe

[TibetanTiger]

I own a 2008 Tribeca and I haven't seen the 2011 yet here. Id like to think that the Volkswagen Scirocco A/C & Heater Control (http://carpartswholesale.com/cpw/volkswagen%7Escirocco%7Eac_&_heater_control.html) is also applicable as well but its OEM.

[Hum]

Maybe Subaru will pull out a surprise at the Paris motor show next month with the all new redesigned Tribeca. If no one know's anything that means somethings brewing.

[bionicbadger]

2011 Tribeca same as 2010 according to info on cars101

[Tribeca_06]

and the subaru website. supposidly 2012 is the redesign year

[SubieDriver]

Let's hope it does actually get redesigned. I sent a note to SOA that they need a new Tribeca. If enough people do, maybe they'll respond with a better vehicle.

All it needs is a little more legroom for using middle & rear seats at the same time, a little more storage in back (when 3rd row is in use), a little more width & length, and higher towing rating (and change the stock hitch package from 1-1/4" to 2").

[Tribeca_06]

sounds good to me.. lets hope!

[Hum]

Check out the statement below from Subaru for September sales. This was posted on the Subaru Australia site. How can there be only 152 Tribeca sales, that won't be enough to keep the model going!

Subaru of America, Inc. announced its best-ever September sales, totalling 21,432, up 47 per cent over the same month last year.

The Subaru Outback and Forester also achieved record September results, retailing 8154 and 6449 respectively. Outback sales were up 91 per cent for the month and Forester 33 per cent.

Year-to-date sales of 193,614 were up 22 per cent.

The result was rounded out by sales of 2999 Legacys (Liberty in Australia), 3678 Imprezas and 152 Tribecas.

[Tribeca_06]

hey atleast its something, its coming closer to that redesign and SOA needs to see that too

[SubieDriver]

Considering they're no longer making them on the assembly line, dealers are no longer getting new stock, and they're getting scarce, it's not terrible for already sparse lot inventory.

Another thought: That 152 number is from Australia, right? Combine that with sales in other countries...

[Soulcoughin]

It's not a redesign, but they at least gave a page to the 2011 Tribeca in the latest Subaru "Drive" magazine Subaru publishes. That's more than I could get out of my dealer when we purchased our 2010 Tribeca in July--nobody could tell me if they were even going to offer them for 2011.

No changes, except for a new color offering. Caramel Bronze Pearl -- not sure what that really looks like. Kind of frustrating that they only give one page for the Tribeca. The vehicle can't even get any love from its own manufacturer's magazine!

http://www.drive.subaru.com/Fall10/2011preview.htm

[TibetanTiger]

I hope the Subaru Mobile Internet gadget will be shipped with the Tribeca upon purchase. :D

[Soulcoughin]

The mobile internet is mentioned for the Outback only, not for any other models. No reasoning given. I always hate that, why not offer cool gadgets for most vehicles in your line up?

[Hum]

Considering they're no longer making them on the assembly line, dealers are no longer getting new stock, and they're getting scarce, it's not terrible for already sparse lot inventory.

Another thought: That 152 number is from Australia, right? Combine that with sales in other countries...

No that number is in the U.S. we sell around 100 per month in Australia.
That's why I was so shocked, we are relying on you guys to keep the model alive as it was primarily built for the States, we are just a secondary after thought over here :D

[Tribeca_06]

100 a month isnt bad.. lol and they should offer the wi-fi in all their models..

[SubieDriver]

I'm hoping they're holding off because they want to incorporate the new Subaru look that's being developed with the new designers. I wouldn't mind at all if it looked something like the hybrid tourer concept.

[Tribeca_06]

thats whats going to happen. they are going to stupidly let the Beca die out and then in like 2012 they are going to bring it back, like the Volvo S60. They killed it for about a year and then brought it back and made it the new flagship of Volvo.

[Soulcoughin]

It will either be a redesign or the end of the road. I compared the interior specs of the Tribeca to the new Outback, it is amazing how similar they are. The Tribeca is only an inch taller than the new Outback, and the Outback has more headroom and legroom. The biggest difference (which means the most to me) came in the shoulder width measurement where the Tribeca had 2 inches more up front. It wouldn't take much to beef up the Outback and make a 7 passenger model.

[McGurk]

... It wouldn't take much to beef up the Outback and make a 7 passenger model.

Agreed. They are growing the Outback right into the footprint of the current Tribeca, which will then be rendered obselete and useless, with less customer base. Not that I have a problem with that; they have too much overlap as it is between the Forester, Outback, and Tribeca. Either make the Tribeca a dedicated (gasp) minivan type crossover, or go bigger into a Pilot sized vehicle, which is going against the grain of both current sales and the state of the buying economy.

Look for it to be dropped, IMHO, with a 7 passenger Outback in it's place, like an Outback Plus. The 3rd row in a 7 pass Tribeca is no less cramped than a theoretical 3rd row in an current Outback would be.

[Soulcoughin]

I love the Outback, but I also enjoy sitting up higher and the width of the Tribeca. Should be interesting to see what Subaru ends up doing.

[TibetanTiger]

More photos here:

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/tokyo-2009-subaru-hybrid-tourer/

Drool, hope, pray... I'd love to just have Subaru even offer existing Tribeca users say an upgrade to the existing software for the audio/GPS. Top of the line Tribeca of today does not have the ability for the radio to pick up the song title, and radio station name! Yikes. And the GPS is so outdated. Man, let's start with the basics.

I do love my Tribeca. But we can always hope for more!

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/mh00904105.jpg
Subaru Parts (http://www.car-stuff.com/subaruparts.htm)


I like this prototype. I wish they offer this paint tone (cyber silver) on new models. But maybe too shiny for some.

[TibetanTiger]

It is too bad that I missed out on the 2011 Subaru Tribeca.:(

I guess I will have just to wait for the 2012 ones and the 2012 WRX Impreza ones.

Looking forward to some spy shots next year.

Subaru’s Legacy Outback-based SUV, the Tribeca, seems to be going through the same ugly duckling restyling as the outgoing, second-generation Impreza, as it got a ‘nose job’ after just two model years, along with new panels elsewhere. It also loses the B9 moniker in its name for 2008, and gains new 18-inch wheels. The engine fitted to the Tribeca gains some muscle thanks to more displacement and is the most powerful naturally aspirated powerplant ever fitted by Subaru. It achieves this on regular unleaded gasoline as opposed to premium in last year’s model. The sole transmission, a five-speed automatic, is also revised.


That engine is a 3.6 liter flat-six, good for 256 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 247 lb-ft at 4,400 rpm. EPA estimated fuel economy is 16 mpg in the city, and 21 mpg on the highway. All wheel drive is standard, and features the Japanese company’s Variable Torque Distribution system to proportion power between axles as necessary.
Just two trims exist, base and Limited, both available with two or three rows of seats, and respective capacities of five or seven passengers.
Seven-seaters feature a new 2nd-row tip-slide feature on the left side for access to third row, a helper spring to help with said feature and new grab handles.
The base Tribeca is full of the goodies buyers have come to expect, with an AM/FM/CD/MP3/WMA sound system, power group, 8-way power driver seat and 4-way power front-passenger seat, four-wheel discs with ABS and electronic brakeforce distribution, traction and stability control and a rollover sensor. Save for the dealer-installed options, there are no options here.
The Limited adds a moonroof to the list of features, roof rails, heated front seats, leather upholstery and a better sound system with a six-disc CD player. It offers a navigation package that includes the obvious, a rear-view camera and XM satellite radio as the sole option, while the 7-seater adds a rear-seat entertainment system to that combo. Apart from these two, just dealer-accessory options, including chromed wheels, exist. The navigation system got a software upgrade for 2008.


from leftlanenews.com

[reinaldo]

I can't remember exactly but I think I saw an article that Subaru merged with Toyota.

[SubieDriver]

Just a suggestion: if your memory is unclear, it might be better to do some research before posting.

Subaru and Toyota have not merged. Toyota has purchased a minority stake in Fuji Heavy Industries, parent company of Subaru.

[reinaldo]

Okay. Thanks for the info.

[SubieDriver]

No problem. Their joint-venture project might have added to the confusion. Subaru is working on a RWD coupe with Toyota, but that's the only vehicle so far that shares anything with Toyota,... and it's mostly developed by Subaru for Toyota.

[Hum]

Happy New Year Everyone

2011, the year we find out if Tribeca lives on or gets killed off.

Lets hope it lives!

As soon as anyone hears anything, post it here.

[Tribeca_06]

My bets on live.
I feel something along the lines of the Nissan Quest or Volvo S60 redo, they may kill it for a year but bring it back as a new radical idea.. or just simply redesign in for 2012, I hope :)

[maxse03]

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/03/next-toyota-highlander-to-form-basis-for-new-subaru-tribeca/

[Tribeca_06]

YAY. That sounds good.. 2014?? Kinda long.. They may kill the Tribeca and then bring it back in 2014.. But I hope the new one comes in 2012. But all in all, sounds good to me!

[Hum]

WOW 2014 would make the current model 9 years old, my current Tribeca won't last that long, I already have 130000 k's on the clock and the lease is up at the end of 2011. Hope the info is wrong and we have something at the end of the year.

[SubOperator]

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/03/next-toyota-highlander-to-form-basis-for-new-subaru-tribeca/
right, but that's next gen Tribeca. There are 2011 Tribeca brochures at the dealers, and Tribeca is still at subaru.com.

I don't think Subaru would kill Tribeca for 2012 just to bring it back in 2014. Gap of one or two years is crazy. They can spice it up easy enough to keep it around until new model is ready.

[LORE BECA]

Go to TOYOTA dealer and look at the new Highlander. That will give an idea on what the new Tribeca will look like considering the TOYOTA/SUBARU synergy on the highlander.
I saw th Highlander and it doesn't look bad, looks like the 4runner and Sequoia.

[Tribeca_06]

I'm still not sure about how accurate that rumor is but if they use the same ideas as the highlander and add all the Subaru characteristics we love, then it could really be a good suv. Toyotas have some nice features, like the power lifegates, navi systems etc.. so if the new Tribeca really has more of those luxury techy features and its awd and durability, it could be a winner

[SubieDriver]

I hope that middle seat in the middle row gets redone better for 2014. I had another kid 4 months ago, and the baby seat works decently in the middle position in the Tribeca. It doesn't look like it would in the Highlander.

[HB_Dad]

So I decided to take the 2011 Tribeca and combine it with a 2011 Highlander...

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t137/HB_Dad/2014Tribeca.jpg

All in all, I think this could work VERY nicely so long as the "Subaruness" is intact (reinforced frame, AWD, boxer, etc) is intact! Of course who knows what the design language of the recent Impreza concept may bring to the mix in terms of styling but literally taking cues from both current models seems like a win to me!

[Tribeca_06]

I'm sure it would have all that but I think they're gonna change the front end for 2012 or whenever it comes out

[HB_Dad]

I'm sure it would have all that but I think they're gonna change the front end for 2012 or whenever it comes out

Styling cues from the Impreza concept are sure to be present. However, the Toyota Highlander has grown the last couple of generations and considering Toyota is discontinuing one of their larger SUV's, Highlander might grow again to fill that space somewhat. If so, the next Tribeca too will be larger than the current Highlander which would be great!

[SubOperator]

I'd be interested to know what kind of tranny Subaru is going to put in next gen Tribeca. They did say they no longer wish to develop AT trannys as they will favor CVTs. Next gen will be bigger (and may be heavier too). Subaru will have to come up with some decent tranny to avoid mistakes they made with original design B9. I hope they put beefed up CVT which should help fuel economy and it will be capable of pairing with some hybrid setup too.

[HB_Dad]

I'd be interested to know what kind of tranny Subaru is going to put in next gen Tribeca. They did say they no longer wish to develop AT trannys as they will favor CVTs. Next gen will be bigger (and may be heavier too). Subaru will have to come up with some decent tranny to avoid mistakes they made with original design B9. I hope they put beefed up CVT which should help fuel economy and it will be capable of pairing with some hybrid setup too.

I hear you on the tranny design! 6000 miles out of warranty, my 2006 Tribeca tranny crapped out and had to opened up and repaired! I know the tranny was later redesigned for the larger engine of the 2008+ models but I think Subaru really knows that the 2006/2007 tranny is a bad fit and quickly phased them out. Lets hope the next transmission is a lot better!

[Magic Marker]

I hear you on the tranny design! 6000 miles out of warranty, my 2006 Tribeca tranny crapped out and had to opened up and repaired! I know the tranny was later redesigned for the larger engine of the 2008+ models but I think Subaru really knows that the 2006/2007 tranny is a bad fit and quickly phased them out. Lets hope the next transmission is a lot better!
Glad we got the extended warranty.

[HB_Dad]

Glad we got the extended warranty.

I had the extended warranty too. Tranny issues started at 106,000 miles... :(

[beca2012]

Hello,
New member shopping for first Tribeca. We had a terrible winter this year with the many feet of snow in Massachusetts. 11 year old daughter and I were stuck in the middle of busy roads twice with 2001 Nissan Maxima. We usually love our car but were terrified of being struck while stranded. We need a vehicle that can handle blizzards. I saw that the 2012 Tribeca will have better gas mileage, better towing capabilities, and other improvements. Winter is almost over, we can wait until Nov/December...hopefully.
http://www.allautoreviews.com/auto_reviews/subaru/subaru-b9-tribeca.htm (http://www.allautoreviews.com/auto_reviews/subaru/subaru-b9-tribeca.htm)
This is the only info out there so far, noticed others looking for info on next generation. I wonder if the interior is more roomy for 3rd row.

[Magic Marker]

Hello,
New member shopping for first Tribeca. We had a terrible winter this year with the many feet of snow in Massachusetts. 11 year old daughter and I were stuck in the middle of busy roads twice with 2001 Nissan Maxima. We usually love our car but were terrified of being struck while stranded. We need a vehicle that can handle blizzards. I saw that the 2012 Tribeca will have better gas mileage, better towing capabilities, and other improvements. Winter is almost over, we can wait until Nov/December...hopefully.
http://www.allautoreviews.com/auto_reviews/subaru/subaru-b9-tribeca.htm (http://www.allautoreviews.com/auto_reviews/subaru/subaru-b9-tribeca.htm)
This is the only info out there so far, noticed others looking for info on next generation. I wonder if the interior is more roomy for 3rd row.
There are no real articles on the 2012 Tribe. The article you linked is just a cut and paste. It stated the 2012 Tribe will have a 3.0 flat 6. That engine was phased out for 2008 for a 3.6. So don't put any faith in that article.

What most of us have found out is that the new Tribe may be built in conjunction with a future Toyota Highlander w/ a full redesign in 2013-2014.

So if you're interested in a Tribeca, you can get something sooner than later since nothing new is projected to come out any time soon.

Check out www.cars101.com for all the Subaru model information. That way you can easily compare models, years, trims.

As for the crossover/utility vehicles, both the Camry-based Toyota Highlander and the slow-selling Subaru Tribeca are due for replacement in the 2014 model year.

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/consumer/163_news1101_toyota_extending_subaru_product_shari ng_to_highlander_tribeca/index.html

[Hum]

Its not looking good,
An article in a Australian paper on the weekend had an interview with the Subaru company model planner at the Geneva Show.

He says that a decision on the Tribeca's future has not been made, and he questions whether Subaru should continue making it, he says it doent really fit in with what Subaru should be buiding for the future.

He said they are currently researching for a smaller SUV to fit under the Forester.

[Hum]

OK guys, this could be it. Subaru has a new crossover concept to unveil at the Shangai Motorshow next week. Reports are it is production ready and could be the Tribeca replacement. First pic looks promising.

[McGurk]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/04/subaru-xv-concept.jpg


If this is the pic you are talking about, I see nothing new. The tires, I'm sure, are huge being it's a cocept vehicle, so the vehicle isn't all that big. From what I've seen, this is getting labeled similar to the 2010 Impreza XV (I could be wrong, though) so I've got to think it's a taller, Impreza sized vehicle (Outback Sport?).

Just what we need, another semi-compact-sized hatchback option. I've got kids and a dog, dammit! Sorry to say, if the Mazda 5 had an all-wheel-drive option, I'd be all over it!

[SimonD]

Looks quite nice but they are screwed by their engine choice at that level. The turbo petrols get hit by taxes in Europe because they are too heavy on the CO and the diesels are weak, expensive and make no sense for local journeys only.
I searched on "Subaru Crossover" and found this:
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2005_subaru_crossover_100007485_l.jpg
I know it's old but I like it.

[Tribeca_06]

yeah seems to be true.. that black thing is the Tribeca "replacement". But I dont think its going to be a 7pass nor called the Tribeca... the aim, I heared, is for an suv smaller than the Forester.. IDK how that's possible but okay.. By the looks of it, it looks sporty and low to the ground, like a Infiniti FX35. So maybe it wont be boxy like the Forester, so its "smaller"?

[mravil]

OK - every major online auto magazine has pinned the dark "teaser" photo of the XV concept as the next Impreza Outback Sport model. Apparently, what we know as the Impreza Outback Sport is currently called the Impreza XV in the Chinese and other markets. One can do there own research on the 2011 Shanghai Auto show the see what I mean. And/or check out the Subaru Global site to see the current 2011 Impreza XV models. What will be interesting is if they bring this same concept to the New York Auto show (along with the next 4 door Impreza they already announced) and see what it's called there. Every major auto-maker is introducing new or revised small CUVs (C or B segment sizes)- they seem to be the platform du jour getting the most funding. Too bad - Subaru needs a Tribeca replacement sooner rather than later (potential Toyobaru) or maybe not at all...but this isn't it.

[Tribeca_06]

i agree. and the tribeca isnt even advertised for all its value and greatness it really has. its just there and thus the public is unaware of her. subaru ppl have said that they want to go for a small "cuv" so maybe by creating the imprezza xv CUV they think it will attract ppl due to being known as a small car and now as a small cuv

[Tribeca_06]

and wtf is "subaru confidence in motion" new slogan or is that for the jap market?

[McGurk]

Don't get me wrong, I think the "Outback Sport" or Impreza XV (or whatever you want to call it) will sell. With $4/gal gas already here it only makes sense. I hope it's not at the expense of a somewhat larger vehicle, though. With only 3,000 or so Tribecas being sold, though, I'm not suprised if the Tribeca will go away. I liked ours better when the Outbacks weren't almost as tall and spacious. Park next to a current model sometime and you'll see what I mean.

In truth, they could make a Legacy-based, snub-nosed, 3-row 6-passenger CUV, and they'd probably have a hit. They could even call it a Legacy XV if they wanted. Mazda can get away with a CX9, after all, but they aren't encumbered with a blurry lineup of overlapping vehicles. Make the Impreza a smaller sedan only, make the Legacy a midsize sedan or wagon (smaller than it's curent size), make the "Outback Sport" a smaller 5 door only, and grow the Outback to be a 2 or 3 row tall wagon (or crossover if you must). Do what you will with the WRX and STi. There; solved.

[mravil]

Lol - yeah, "confidence in motion". At first I thought it was their attempt to coin a new design language, but subaru doesn't do exterior design well enough for that. It appears to be more of their new Global slogan, as it was used extensively at the recent 2011 Geneva Auto show and somewhat at the 2010 LA Auto show. They refer to it as their "Brand Statement" in published materials . Here's a Link to the CIM Video - if you can stand it :-).
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwh1AZ4ToKw"].

Agree McGurk on the idea to reduce the overlap SOA has in their lineup.
Personally, I just hope they keep a 3-row (7 seat) something in the lineup, whether it's a CUV or tall wagon. I have 3 young kids and can't live w/o 3 rows.

Anyway back to the point - My bet is the online mags got this right and the XV Concept is just the next Impreza 'Outback Sport' model if it comes to the North American market.

[Tribeca_06]

I'm going to the NYC auto show next weekend... anyone else going? :)

[Hum]

Well that was a let down, seriously what does Subaru do with it's free time, it's not like they have a lot of models to update. they could be showcasing something more exciting.

[TibetanTiger]

Subaru should sue the perpetrators of this obviously FAKE Advertisement. Very insensitive towards the political situation in Palestine. As a Subaru owner, I am insulted and not humored.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm199/scorpionking875/subrau_ad.jpg

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=76303 (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76303)

[BzB]

^ that's obviously in very bad taste, but what does it have to do with the next tribeca???

[Vomitcretin]

right, but that's next gen Tribeca. There are 2011 Tribeca brochures at the dealers, and Tribeca is still at subaru.com.

I don't think Subaru would kill Tribeca for 2012 just to bring it back in 2014. Gap of one or two years is crazy. They can spice it up easy enough to keep it around until new model is ready.

Nissan didn't produce the Murano for 2008 and came back in 2009 with a redesign. The Murano is nothing if not very successful.

[cowboy]

Talked to my dealer on Saturday.........everything he is hearing is that the 2012 Tribeca line will be the same.....maybe one or two paint changes, but the line will be the same as the 2011 with the Touring be the top and so on.......after 2012, he is not sure......SOA is not commenting.........anyone heard any different....know there was some chatter about blending the Tribeca with the Toyota Highlander, but that has died down some........