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Old 04-06-2017, 06:43 PM   #21 (permalink)
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It is beyond me why people are still talking about an H4 for the 7 pax...but only a week or so is left!

I will bet an empty Coke can that it will be a new H6 with the big Q being whether it will be battery assisted or not.
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Old 04-07-2017, 11:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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My money is on same H6, optional battery assist for $4kish.
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Old 04-07-2017, 10:12 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well, remember that the only plausible rumor we heard was a new H6? I forgot what made it plausible though since it was several months ago. Something said by someone from Subaru at some sort of forum in Asia? Cannot recall. But it was the only bit that seemed credible to me.

There is no way they will keep the same old H6 that debuted on the 2008 Tribeca. Just imagine the automotive commentary: "Subaru debuts a monstrous CUV featuring a revamped version of the durable but thirsty and underwhelming in a large vehicle engine from the failed 2008 Tribeca." Ain't happening, @tdelker , no way.

The Tribeca was criticized for size: Ascent is huge, check.
The Tribeca was criticized for engine performance to mpg ratio: will be checked, I am sure
The B9 was criticized for styling: this one is too subjective. I have hopes that it won't be as awful as the 2008 front re-design.

I bet they want this car to sell in the 40s range and I doubt they would have compromised any major aspect. Volvo took a big gamble with that hyper-stressed turbo 4 and the reviews in the auto journals have been exactly as expected: stressed out engine that will last...who knows how long....Plus I have no clue who Volvo's supposed target audience is these days. Seems like nobody in particular, maybe nostalgia is its only selling point.
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Old 04-08-2017, 08:26 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I'm not trying to rain on the parade but I wonder if this new, larger Subaru will really do any better than the Tribeca. Sure, it will address some of the shortcomings of the smaller 7 passenger Tribeca but I wonder if the fan base really wants a Subaru that large or if it will pull more folks to the Subaru fold. Sometimes a car company developed a nitch market and it's difficult or impossible to change. Of course, time will tell. Just wondering out loud.
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I agree it would be a large mistake for Subaru to keep the same H6, but... That's where my 0 dollar bet is going...

I hope your right, we're all just guessing...

I agree, it will be interesting to see if this will compete well against the Highlander and Pilot. That's what I will be choosing between. Good size 7 pax that can fit a good amount of gear, pull a light trailer (whitewater raft rig), and still be a daily driver. We'll see.
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2.4 turbo hybrid!
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I'm not trying to rain on the parade but I wonder if this new, larger Subaru will really do any better than the Tribeca. Sure, it will address some of the shortcomings of the smaller 7 passenger Tribeca but I wonder if the fan base really wants a Subaru that large or if it will pull more folks to the Subaru fold. Sometimes a car company developed a nitch market and it's difficult or impossible to change. Of course, time will tell. Just wondering out loud.

Considering how the new and larger, US-spec Forester and Outback have been doing since 2009/10, respectively, I fail to see why not. Subaru is no longer a niche brand at all. Even in Central AZ, where n/a H4 Subarus have no substantial advantage over the competition, Subarus are mainstream now, not a rare exception spotted once every few days.

The old Subaru "fan base," such as it was outside WRX/FXT, has long been rendered irrelevant. Had Subaru listened to the "old guard" customers, Subaru would have been nothing but a memory by now.

Do I like everything that Subaru has been doing? No, but I understand their logic and cannot argue with the results.
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Well looks like tomorrow (4/12) is the big unveiling.

https://twitter.com/subaru_usa/statu...55541240885249

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OK. So it is 'uge. Great. But I heard nothing of the powertrain.

OKAY: Subaru has said TURBO.

With the stress on thinking big during the presentation I wonder if that might be a smaller, turbo-charged H6.

If it is turbo 4, I am probably out. If it is turbo 6, I should be out since I do not want a turbo in this sort of vehicle but I might be tempted!
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this all the details that they released, not much but wheels are 'uge for sure

Body size: (Length x Width x Height) 198.8 x 78.3 x 72.4 inches
Wheelbase: 117 inches
Tire Size: 275/50 R21
Seating Capacity: 7
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Yeah, proper width and height. Terrible tire to wheel ratio though from my perspective.

I get it, it is a city car and the Range Rover can still offroad at some slim tires but still.
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yeah those are close to 32" tall. what concerns me is the rotor size, by the looks you can't go much smaller on the wheel,

SUBARU ASCENT SUV CONCEPT: 2017 New York International Auto Show - YouTube
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Obviously still a concept, but it looks pretty close to production and similar enough to the spy shots that we've seen that it could be the real deal.

I'd be OK if they didn't change a single thing about that interior.
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yeah those are close to 32" tall. what concerns me is the rotor size, by the looks you can't go much smaller on the wheel,

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Whoa! Are there any rotors that big on CUVs? OTOH, I do not know why should I care. I mean I have no expectations for this to have serious offroad potential (dimensions, typical Subaru things, plus just imagine the clearance a vehicle with 117in wheelbase needs to go over stuff!).

Fingers crossed for a 3.0T H6! That would be the real deal package: vehicle size plus power-plant capability.

We heard thinking big, right?

If Subaru wants a "large SUV" then a V8 alternative is what is needed! Not a Volvo approach.
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it would probably do better to have 2.4t and H6t engines, for those who cruise malls and for those who need a tow rig. The big question now is the transmission, i mean it will be a CVT thats a given but gearing is where it all comes down to.
If they put a taller 5th gear in the tribeca so that you'd cruise 70mph @2k rpms, this car would have sold so much better thats all they had to do. bump the highway mpg to 24-25 back then.
Now for this to sell well it has to do closer to 20-30 c/h
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Hmm...I agree with a two-engine strategy but I am sure two new engines is not an option.

So, a two-engine approach would need to utilize at least one existing engine. That cannot be the 3.6 due to the bad press it would generate so the 2.0T plus a new turbo 6 would be the only option. The 2.0T would be laughable in the Ascent but that won't matter if a larger engine is an option.

EDIT: Well at least one magazine claims Subaru has confirmed 2.4T to them. If that is all there is to the story...the TB will stay till it moves lol. I am now very reluctant to buy a 40k+ car without serious off-road potential anyway but a T6 plus great interior and lots of space would be tempting.
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A 2.4t would put it right in line with its competitors, but probably be better executed. I don't recall any reviews of Subaru turbo engines claiming they felt underpowered, the sti not withstanding of course. When it debuts I won't be in the market but will probably go see one and test drive out of sheer curiosity.
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Ok, it is official. I will eat a lemon, lol.

2.4T then

Does not sound like a recipe for longevity on a large vehicle or like a promise for towing prowess. I thought that Subaru would really try to compete with traditional SUVs by offering a capable CUV alternative.

I am also not in the market for a new vehicle. If I can get past my suspicions of durability, a Land Rover Discovery would be far more interesting vehicle to me since it is a CUV with true SUV capability. But that is a long way off. The TB should be fine at least till 2023 and my OB way beyond lol.
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